Video Thumbnails Windows 11

Richvideo wrote on 3/24/2022, 6:00 PM

I just noticed that in File Explorer in Windows 11 that my .MOV video files are missing thumbnails, I am pretty sure I had seen them previously in explorer. My .MP4 files still generate thumbnails.

I checked my windows settings and thumbnail generation is turned on and I also cleared out the thumbnail cache just in case a corrupt thumbnail database file was causing a problem- Still no thumbnails for .MOV

I have Icaros (K-Lite Pack) installed and that usually worked to produce thumbnails for most file types.

The .MOV file properties (Panasonic AG-CX350 camcorder)

Format                      : MPEG-4
Format profile              : QuickTime
Codec ID                    : qt   2011.07 (qt  /pana)
Overall bit rate mode       : Variable
Overall bit rate            : 154 Mb/s

Format                      : AVC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile              : High 4:2:2@L5.1
Format settings             : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC      : Yes
Format settings, Reference  : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP        : M=1, N=15
Codec ID                    : avc1
Codec ID/Info               : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                    : 4 s 505 ms
Bit rate mode               : Variable
Bit rate                    : 149 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate            : 180 Mb/s
Width                       : 3 840 pixels
Height                      : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio        : 16:9
Frame rate mode             : Constant
Frame rate                  : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Standard                    : Component
Color space                 : YUV
Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:2
Bit depth                   : 10 bits
Scan type                   : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.599
Stream size                 : 80.0 MiB (97%)

Color range                 : Limited
Color primaries             : BT.709

The thumbnails show up fine in Vegas but they are missing in file explorer, could anyone please provide me with some advice on how to fix the issue?

 

 

Comments

EricLNZ wrote on 3/24/2022, 10:23 PM

Presumably you are talking about Windows File Explorer and not the Explorer window in Vegas in which case you might get more response by posting in a Windows forum.

Richvideo wrote on 3/24/2022, 10:34 PM

Presumably you are talking about Windows File Explorer and not the Explorer window in Vegas in which case you might get more response by posting in a Windows forum.

Hi, I thought I pointed out that it was file explorer in Windows 11 and mentioned that the thumbnails for the.MOV video files do work in Vegas explorer.....

I already went through the Windows forum route and have not found a fix, I figured that I might have better luck asking people who deal with video files all the time in Windows since they might have come across this issue at one point or another. I noticed this problem after the last Vegas 19 update so I thought maybe that was the cause, but Vegas codecs and such are usually self-contained to Vegas so it is more likely something else.

EricLNZ wrote on 3/24/2022, 10:52 PM

Thanks. I just wanted to check as if it's not a Vegas Pro problem it's proper to the Offtopic area so I'll move it.

john_dennis wrote on 3/25/2022, 12:02 AM

@Richvideo

Do you have Quicktime loaded? Can you play the file with a native Windows application like Movies & TV?

Vegas doesn't need Quicktime to decode some files with the MOV extension depending on the codecs used inside the wrapper.

My SWAG

Windows doesn't have a codec to use to scan into the file and find a frame to use as the thumbnail. If you associate the extension with a player that can play the file, you'll get the thumbnail of the application. That won't be much help because it won't give you a hint of what's in the file. I won't comment on a codec pack.

Dr Zen wrote on 3/25/2022, 12:11 AM

I just did a clean install of Windows 11 a few weeks ago.
Installing K-Lite codec pack is a terrible idea - I would uninstall that if I was you!
It can wreck your Windows Registry and stop good codecs from working.
You shouldn't need to be using K-lite codec pack in 2022.

I do use Icaros (by itself) on my new Windows 11 install and all .mov video thumbnails are working in W11.

Download latest version of Icaros 3.2.1 from here:
https://www.videohelp.com/software/Icaros

Open Icaros 3.2.1
Drag one of the .mov files into the top window of Icaros
You should see the thumbnail generate immediately.
Make sure you have Icaros activated.
 

Richvideo wrote on 3/25/2022, 12:16 AM

@Richvideo

Do you have Quicktime loaded? Can you play the file with a native Windows application like Movies & TV?

Vegas doesn't need Quicktime to decode some files with the MOV extension depending on the codecs used inside the wrapper.

My SWAG

Windows doesn't have a codec to use to scan into the file and find a frame to use as the thumbnail. If you associate the extension with a player that can play the file, you'll get the thumbnail of the application. That won't be much help because it won't give you a hint of what's in the file. I won't comment on a codec pack.

I have QT installed, I don't have any issues playing the files in any player ((MPC,VLC WMP Movies & TV), Windows is just not generating a thumbnail preview for the Panasonic 4K 10 bit AVC files with a MOV extension - I could be recalling incorrectly but I am pretty sure I had thumbnails in file explorer for these files previously - as I have stated before, I have thumbnails in Vegas 19 the issue is just getting them to pop up in Windows, MP4s are creating thumbnails in file explorer.

This makes it hard to figure out what files I want to drag over to Vegas because I can't see the thumbnail preview

Richvideo wrote on 3/25/2022, 12:44 AM

I just did a clean install of Windows 11 a few weeks ago.
Installing K-Lite codec pack is a terrible idea - I would uninstall that if I was you!
It can wreck your Windows Registry and stop good codecs from working.
You shouldn't need to be using K-lite codec pack in 2022.

I do use Icaros (by itself) on my new Windows 11 install and all .mov video thumbnails are working in W11.

Download latest version of Icaros 3.2.1 from here:
https://www.videohelp.com/software/Icaros

Open Icaros 3.2.1
Drag one of the .mov files into the top window of Icaros
You should see the thumbnail generate immediately.
Make sure you have Icaros activated.
 

I have that version of Icaros installed and it did not fix the issue

I have been using the K-Lite for years with no issues- Vegas uses its own set of codecs so K-lite has no way to impact it.

You can also always re-register the Windows media foundation codecs

I like the MPC player a bit better than VLC and K-lite has its own version of it and I use a Plug-in for it that does a nice job with playing back HDR files. K-Lite also installs the same version of Icaros (I uninstalled K-lite and tried just having Icaros installed and that did not help either)

When you say you have thumbnails for .MOV files, is that in Vegas or Windows File Explorer? I can see them in Vegas

Are these files modern 4K h.264/h.265 MOV files or old Legacy QT files?

Thanks for the feedback

 

 

RogerS wrote on 3/27/2022, 9:22 AM

The file you link to here is 10-bit 4:2:2 AVC. That isn't anything QT could view and I think the same is true for Windows. MOV or MP4 has nothing to do with it.

In Windows 10 here I have a mix of 10-bit footage. Some HEVC displays its thumbnails, some don't. Some has corrupted thumbnails. Some AVC displays, some doesn't. I had paid $1 for the HEVC video extensions from Microsoft. I don't know if that is included with Windows 11. I have them all associated with MPC-BE.

I'd use some kind of viewing software (Adobe Bridge is free even without a Creative Cloud subscription) and just not worry about Explorer.

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