Volume levels

songsj wrote on 12/20/2005, 1:10 AM
This should be a no brainer but I'm just learning this software.
I want to be able to change the volume on certain parts of tracks and I thought the procedure was to split the section I want to change then use Shift +V to adjust the hightlighted section up or down but when I do this the entire track volume marker is activated. I thought by spliting the the track on both sides of the piece I want to change it would be isolated but no go, what am I doing wrong?

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PipelineAudio wrote on 12/20/2005, 5:09 AM
there are two different volumes you are describing here

One is event volumes, you can adjust those just by grabbing the very top of the event and moving it down

The other is the volume envelope, which you get by hitting shift v. The envelopes must be edited by adding points. Envelopes are independant from events themselves, though if you hit the switch "lock enfelopes to events" they will move with the events.

BE AWARE that these volumes happen in two different places in the track's chain! This is a very important point!

Event volume is pre channel insert fx while the volume envelope is post channel insert fx
songsj wrote on 12/20/2005, 10:16 PM
I guess I need a lesson on adding points, my guess is that it will be a very valuable function to know. Can someone walk me through it??
I'm working with a live drum track now where a few snare hits are just too soft. I then have a vocal track where a word or two is also too soft to work around.
Thanks Much,
Jeff
heinz3110 wrote on 12/21/2005, 4:35 AM
If SOME of the snare hits(and a word or two) are to soft I would
-select te track,
-select the hit on the timeline
-do a split

Now you got a new event with the soft hit...then:
- Normalize the event
-bring the volume down on that event just by grabbing the very top of the event and moving it down(as described by Pipe)
(Works only if the whole track is not normalized or the volume is brought down by grapping the volume-envelope on the remaining event(s),ofcourse)

I find it only useful if it is only for a couple of weak hits,if the track contains an very uneven flow of dynamics I would resort to compression and such.

Hope this was useful,

Gerard

songsj wrote on 12/21/2005, 9:14 PM
I'm sorry I'm such a slow learner but here is what I thought Vegas should be able to do. Lets say I have a snare hit that is too soft,
I highlight the track and split the snare hit on both sides of the wave form. Then press Shift+V. I thought I would get the volume enelope or curser in the middle of just the split section so I could raise or lower the volume on just that split section. When I perform the above functions the volume envelope or curser line shows up on the track in the center like it should but on the entire track, not just the split event. Is ther a way to do what I'm describing?
PipelineAudio wrote on 12/21/2005, 11:06 PM
sort of, as was described above, you can always turn down any event

Also, as above if that event isnt peaking at -0dbfs, you can right click and normalize the event to turn it up a bit

Sometimes if I know Im going to be doing a lot of this, I will select all events on a track then drag the event trim down to -6dB to give me some room to always turn it up if needed. Try that

But again, be very aware that the per event volume is PRE channel fx insert!!!!!

Depending on what you are trying to do, you would likely want to use the volume envelopes that you get hitting SHift-V, which are POST channel fx insert

Distorshun wrote on 12/23/2005, 10:26 AM
I had the same problem as I am also a Vegas noob. In premeire I was able to split sections and adjust the gain up or down on each track. I couldn't figure out how to do this in Vegas.

As a quick fix, I dragged the events that needed an increase in gain to a seperate audio track, and then used the track gain to increase the volume. I'm sure this is not the right way to do it, but if you are trying to finish up a project right away, this might help :)
Chienworks wrote on 12/23/2005, 1:30 PM
Pardon me for saying this, but you're making it too hard for yourselves. Don't bother splitting at all. Adding a volume envelope lets you adjust and vary the volume from point to point independantly of any other spot on the track. Wherever you want to change the volume double-click on the blue volume envelope line to add a node (looks like a square dot). You can then drag these dots up or down to increase or decrease the volume. Add as many dots as you wish.

For a typical scenario, suppose there is a section a couple seconds long that is too loud. Add two nodes just before that section and also two more nodes after it. Drag the line between the two sets of nodes down to reduce the volume. You'll see the line start curving at the first point, drop down to the second, go straight across to the third, then curve back up to the fourth. By changing the spaces between the nodes you can control how fast the volume fades as well.
wymondham wrote on 1/11/2006, 11:30 AM
CD Architect uses the same technique with volume envelopes. So you find simular things on other Sony sofware. I'm new to Vegas and am trying the free trial for 28 days. It's a bit of a steep lerning curve in the time, but its nice to come across something which I have used elswhere.
David.H