VP 16 Stabilizer Gone Wonky...

j.razz wrote on 8/27/2018, 10:43 PM

Anyone else encountered this? Working with Canon 5d mIV 60p 1080 footage on a gimbal. Timeline is set to match. Even when I don't get this result, I get random jerks throughout the footage - like it locked into something and then when it left the frame it attached it's focus to something else.

Mercalli in VP15 provided smoother results, but would often rotate (think ship rocking in the waves).

Lastly, there's no help file.

Here's the link: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1VdqzN3L8sFG9Cnc8

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j.razz wrote on 8/27/2018, 10:45 PM

I'm using a Razor Blade 15 with a hex core i7 with a nVidia 1070 with 16gigs of ram.

VEGASPascal wrote on 8/27/2018, 11:38 PM

I believe the result is made with "Translation". This means the stabiliser is smoothing in x- and y-direction. Your camera is moving in z direction with rotation... you need "Similarity" (smoothing x, y, rotation, scale (z)).

Former user wrote on 8/28/2018, 12:05 AM

please report back j.razz. interested in vp16 stabilizer & motion tracking experiences

j.razz wrote on 8/28/2018, 5:17 AM

I tried various settings including similarity and still got the same results. I rebooted and tried again once before I had to board a plane. Im currently on an aerial job but will have more time to test after wednesday. I'm still getting the random jerks however.

Marco. wrote on 8/28/2018, 6:17 AM

I experience similar issue sometimes.

matthias-krutz wrote on 8/28/2018, 7:32 AM

It looks as if the stabilizer VP 16 does not balance the rotation, regardless of whether translation or similarity is set.

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Former user wrote on 8/28/2018, 8:19 AM

That might be a new Magix low. The upgraded improved stabilisation that is worse than the previous. I realise it's a bug, but how does this get released to public and buyers?

We should not be their beta testers, but it happened with vp15, and it's happening again with vp16.

j-v wrote on 8/28/2018, 8:27 AM

The upgraded improved stabilisation that is worse than the previous. I realise it's a bug, but how does this get released to public and buyers?

Not true and it is not a bug.
I thought that also before, but Marco told me how to use the right settings.

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matthias-krutz wrote on 8/28/2018, 9:45 AM

I have tried it with a variety of settings. The result was not satisfactory with my source material. I mainly tested older interlaced PAL material, whereby the old stabilizer providing good results. Problems also make velocity envelopes on stabilized material.
There may be cases where the new stabilizer performs better and we see the first version here. Only bad that the old stabilizer can not be used with VP 16.

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Vegas_Sebastian wrote on 8/29/2018, 1:53 AM

I have tried it with a variety of settings. The result was not satisfactory with my source material. I mainly tested older interlaced PAL material, whereby the old stabilizer providing good results. Problems also make velocity envelopes on stabilized material.
There may be cases where the new stabilizer performs better and we see the first version here. Only bad that the old stabilizer can not be used with VP 16.

With what kind of material you had velocity envelopes?

Vegas_Sebastian wrote on 8/29/2018, 2:16 AM

Anyone else encountered this? Working with Canon 5d mIV 60p 1080 footage on a gimbal. Timeline is set to match. Even when I don't get this result, I get random jerks throughout the footage - like it locked into something and then when it left the frame it attached it's focus to something else.

Mercalli in VP15 provided smoother results, but would often rotate (think ship rocking in the waves).

Lastly, there's no help file.

Here's the link: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1VdqzN3L8sFG9Cnc8

Have you tried the 'Fast' mode? Sometimes you can get better results with that mode.

VEGASPascal wrote on 8/29/2018, 1:25 PM

Anyone else encountered this? Working with Canon 5d mIV 60p 1080 footage on a gimbal. Timeline is set to match. Even when I don't get this result, I get random jerks throughout the footage - like it locked into something and then when it left the frame it attached it's focus to something else.

Mercalli in VP15 provided smoother results, but would often rotate (think ship rocking in the waves).

Lastly, there's no help file.

Here's the link: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1VdqzN3L8sFG9Cnc8

Could you send me this short video for testing? Upload on Google Drive or Dropbox and send me the link. Thanks!

Kinvermark wrote on 8/29/2018, 1:40 PM

@matthias-krutz

Prodad Respeedr? Do you mean Mercalli?

In any case, my limited testing shown there are benefits to the new stabilizer. In short: Mercalli v4 is better at locking down footage, but sometimes makes "jello" whereas the new Vegas stabilizer does not lock down, but avoids the "jello."

I plan to use both.

@Former user

It's not as simple as that. ALL stabilizers "freak out" from time to time depending on the footage. (All= Mercalli, Vegas old, Resolve, Adobe, BCC...)

 

matthias-krutz wrote on 8/29/2018, 2:53 PM

@Kinvermark

ReSpeedr from proDAT has stabilizing and rolling shutter options. I think they come from Mercalli. The handling is not comfortable, but the result is good.

Vegas 16 seems to correct only translations (and zoom?). This is not enough for handheld cameras.

@Vegas_Sebastian

With what kind of material you had velocity envelopes?

old interlaced PAL material, where VP15 delivers satisfactory results.

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j.razz wrote on 8/29/2018, 5:25 PM

Anyone else encountered this? Working with Canon 5d mIV 60p 1080 footage on a gimbal. Timeline is set to match. Even when I don't get this result, I get random jerks throughout the footage - like it locked into something and then when it left the frame it attached it's focus to something else.

Mercalli in VP15 provided smoother results, but would often rotate (think ship rocking in the waves).

Lastly, there's no help file.

Here's the link: https://photos.app.goo.gl/1VdqzN3L8sFG9Cnc8

Could you send me this short video for testing? Upload on Google Drive or Dropbox and send me the link.Thanks!

I'm uploading it now to dropbox and will send it over to you. I've got a project to finish up in VP15, but will look to spend more time in 16 after the end of next week. I've been using AE for motion tracking, so I'm looking forward to giving VP a go for that!

If you would after reviewing the footage, post here the settings that would make the above referenced footage pleasing to the eye (no rotation) using the new stabilizer plugin.Thanks!

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VEGASPascal wrote on 8/30/2018, 7:53 AM

I have tried it with a variety of settings. The result was not satisfactory with my source material. I mainly tested older interlaced PAL material, whereby the old stabilizer providing good results. Problems also make velocity envelopes on stabilized material.
There may be cases where the new stabilizer performs better and we see the first version here. Only bad that the old stabilizer can not be used with VP 16.

Hi Matthias, We are not able to reproduce this... could you provide us a test file? Upload on dropbox or Google and send me the link. Thanks!

jimingo-1 wrote on 8/30/2018, 1:38 PM

I am getting wacky results as well from the new stabilizer so I purchased the Boris FX Optical Stabilizer. The Boris FX stabilizer is working really well so far. It's half price until tomorrow.

https://borisfx.com/products/continuum-filters/optical-stabilizer/

j.razz wrote on 8/30/2018, 11:30 PM

I am getting wacky results as well from the new stabilizer so I purchased the Boris FX Optical Stabilizer. The Boris FX stabilizer is working really well so far. It's half price until tomorrow.

https://borisfx.com/products/continuum-filters/optical-stabilizer/

Where is the half off offer? I'm seeing it listed or $99. I used to be a beta tester for GenArts, but that was back around 2012, so I thought I might upgrade my license from back then. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, but I'm not seeing the discounted rate.

Kinvermark wrote on 8/31/2018, 1:58 AM

Save your money, it's ancient. You have Mercalli v4? I would just tweak settings on either new vegas or Merc v4 to get best result.