Cool. :)

How much of the Vega 64 FE card's 16 GB of VRAM gets used? Are there any situations where nearly the entire amount is utilized? (I am still thinking about getting a used FE or possibly a Radeon VII.)

I never bother to look into how much VRAM actually used. I will try to run the test again and will look into that some tomorrow. I will make additional comment after that.

Impressive... for sure.....

I think MAYBE (sayin MAYBE b'cz been disappointed too many times!!) that we have turned corner with this new generation of hardware and Video card acceleration; thanks for the share here, Bruce.

Exciting stuff. Love to see some more...Maybe show something with multiple tracks and layers of compositing.... that MIGHT convince me....

(I mean, hard to see what you've got going on in real time processing)

.. and while I'm IMPRESSED with the rendering, REAL TIME playback, especially under stress, (compositing) is the most critical for me and many others.

One additional thing I have noticed with recent builds: the thumbnail performance in explorer & project manager windows has significantly improved and stabilized. They are snappier, more persistent, and not limited in quantity as far as I can tell.

@BruceUSA So one more thing - can you comment on the speed of thumbnail creation on your system (For Vegas timeline / explorer / project manager / storyboards (including re-sizing.) Instantaneous? Thanks!

I'm impressed. What is the cost of the CPU and the GPU ?

One additional thing I have noticed with recent builds: the thumbnail performance in explorer & project manager windows has significantly improved and stabilized. They are snappier, more persistent, and not limited in quantity as far as I can tell.

@BruceUSA So one more thing - can you comment on the speed of thumbnail creation on your system (For Vegas timeline / explorer / project manager / storyboards (including re-sizing.) Instantaneous? Thanks!

To be honest I don't see any lag with thumbnail. Vegas is snappy and I really enjoy editing with Vegas on this beast. I do not resize any thing. Everything is at default settings.

As for VRAM usage I see 35% for that video.

I'm impressed. What is the cost of the CPU and the GPU ?

I'm impressed. What is the cost of the CPU and the GPU ?

I'm impressed. What is the cost of the CPU and the GPU ?

At the time I bought it, cost me $999 each. But now I am sure you can get for less.

I will also want to mention. If you build a new system with a powerful CPU/GPU. Be sure do not skim on the hard drive. Go all in with NVME.M2 SSD 3000+MBps for your OS, storage and rendering. Anything less will slow down your system and Vegas. My system get almost 2X the speed in real time in 4K with multiple Fx applied in rendering out to my NVMe M2 drive. When I try to rendering a temp project out to 7200rpm hard drive I get only real time rendering. That is a drop in 50% in rendering performance.

BruceUSA, do you think radeon vii will perform even better then your founders edition? my radeon vega 64 is not doing as well as your card, still not playing my gopro 7 4k60p or 2.7k60p HEVC files smoothly, ... Do you know what aspect of that founders editions makes it good for vegas?

BruceUSA, do you think radeon vii will perform even better then your founders edition? my radeon vega 64 is not doing as well as your card, still not playing my gopro 7 4k60p or 2.7k60p HEVC files smoothly, ... Do you know what aspect of that founders editions makes it good for vegas?

Can't really comment on the newest cards that are coming out now or soon. Some times newest card not working well with Vegas as this has happened to my Frontier card as well. But when Magix released the update for it and its work wonderful. Not long ago, I have ran some tests of your video files, while its work ok but I did suggested you to transcode to get smooth editing. Same here I had a Samsung S9 phone that shoot 4K 60P hevc . I get a 40+ frames on a 4K 60P project on play back. I can do cut and edit but not smooth play back.

At the movement, I would not trade my Frontier Card for any other cards out there. I am sure that will change as card become more powerful and available to us a reasonable price.

So I'm thinking the 3000+mbps is the write speed ?

So I'm thinking the 3000+mbps is the write speed ?

yes any brand nvme m2 in that range. I preference is Samsung Pro.

(Go all in with NVME.M2 SSD 3000+MBps for your OS, storage and rendering.)

So are you saying you have 3 SSD's, one for OS, one for storage and one for rendering?

BruceUSA, do you think radeon vii will perform even better then your founders edition? my radeon vega 64 is not doing as well as your card, still not playing my gopro 7 4k60p or 2.7k60p HEVC files smoothly, ... Do you know what aspect of that founders editions makes it good for vegas?

Can't really comment on the newest cards that are coming out now or soon. Some times newest card not working well with Vegas as this has happened to my Frontier card as well. But when Magix released the update for it and its work wonderful. Not long ago, I have ran some tests of your video files, while its work ok but I did suggested you to transcode to get smooth editing. Same here I had a Samsung S9 phone that shoot 4K 60P hevc . I get a 40+ frames on a 4K 60P project on play back. I can do cut and edit but not smooth play back.

At the movement, I would not trade my Frontier Card for any other cards out there. I am sure that will change as card become more powerful and available to us a reasonable price.

 

Bruce, What do you typically transcode to?

BruceUSA, do you think radeon vii will perform even better then your founders edition? my radeon vega 64 is not doing as well as your card, still not playing my gopro 7 4k60p or 2.7k60p HEVC files smoothly, ... Do you know what aspect of that founders editions makes it good for vegas?

Can't really comment on the newest cards that are coming out now or soon. Some times newest card not working well with Vegas as this has happened to my Frontier card as well. But when Magix released the update for it and its work wonderful. Not long ago, I have ran some tests of your video files, while its work ok but I did suggested you to transcode to get smooth editing. Same here I had a Samsung S9 phone that shoot 4K 60P hevc . I get a 40+ frames on a 4K 60P project on play back. I can do cut and edit but not smooth play back.

At the movement, I would not trade my Frontier Card for any other cards out there. I am sure that will change as card become more powerful and available to us a reasonable price.

 

Bruce, What do you typically transcode to?

Prores LT is my choice. Its awesome.

I will also want to mention. If you build a new system with a powerful CPU/GPU. Be sure do not skim on the hard drive. Go all in with NVME.M2 SSD 3000+MBps for your OS, storage and rendering. Anything less will slow down your system and Vegas. My system get almost 2X the speed in real time in 4K with multiple Fx applied in rendering out to my NVMe M2 drive. When I try to rendering a temp project out to 7200rpm hard drive I get only real time rendering. That is a drop in 50% in rendering performance.

I was a bit intrigued by your 50% drop in rendering performance due to different drive use. I recall I did some experiments in the past and did not came up with any meaningful render time differences other than usual minimal spread per tryout on my system. I decided to redo a more elaborate experiment with different 4K source material (with or without elaborate plugins). I tried all sort of combinations from NVME M2 drive (input source) to NVME M2 drive (output destination) and all sorts of other combinations input and output with Hard drive(s) and NVME M2.

No difference. Then I thought, well maybe the intel Z370 chipset to CPU is the bottleneck whereby all my HD disks, USB, sound, ethernet, NVME M2 drive, etc... (connected to the Z370 chipset) have to pass the DMI 3.0 link (equivalent to 4 PCI lanes) between the CPU and the Z370 chipset. One NVME can theoretically suck all the bandwidth from 4 PCI lanes, so any combination of HD and NVME is futile anyway due to this theoretical bottle neck. So I decided to do a little extra experiment and to install some freeware RAM disk software taking 4GB of my 64GB and use the RAM disk to write the render output, hence to avoid read and write over the same DMI 3.0 link bus (memory and videocard are linked directly to CPU), and additionally benefit from a very fast write as it just goes into memory.

Still no difference, there you go.

The only explanation I have is that 4K rendering on my system with my CPU and with the help of NVENC with Vegas 16 is still slower than it can saturate any hard drive, SSD, or bus architecture.

see my system specs in the signature.

what happens to your timeline playback speed if the preview window is 1920x1080?

@bitman Out of curiosity, what happens if you tip the cpu/storage scales by using uncompressed UHD media?

@Kinvermark I do not know, I just use whatever comes out of my camera RX10, smartphone and Gopro. If I would guess, uncompressed will be easier on the CPU but more taxing on the drives & bus bandwith due to the increased amount of data, not to mention more storage space required. I suppose that if you have to transcode first to uncompressed, then it also defeats any render time gained in post by using uncompressed wouldn't it?

What I should have said was "please test this..." :)

My guess is the same as yours (that was the point) - The idea being to use an extreme test to better understand what circumstances would lead to the hard drive speed having a major impact on the render time.

I agree, transcoding to uncompressed is unlikely to be a practical workflow for very many users, but transcoding to larger - less compressed - easier on the cpu media in general is very common in professional workflows.

what happens to your timeline playback speed if the preview window is 1920x1080?

 

@AVsupport you mean the display, not the preview, preview (left corner under preview display) seems always indicate 960x540x32, the preview display itself I can resize, and it scales accordingly, the timeline speed for 4K material depends on the setting of the preview quality. It is near frame size, depending on edit plugins etc..., some times I need to drop preview quality to "preview auto"

OK. I should have make more clear about the 50% drop in rendering performance in 7200rpm hard drive. I was getting 52 frames rendering to NVMe M2 SSD in .H264 AMD VCE. Then, I rendering out the same project to MagicYUV an intermediate codec for future further editing, to a 7200rpm hard drive. That where I see the rendering in real time only. Different codec/format and is not fully GPU accelerated, perform differently, hence the 50% drop in rendering performance. But I decide to re-rendering the test to the same project. I do see a performance different for sure.

Same project rendering to to .H264 > to NVMe M2 SSD get 52 frame. Rendering out the same codec .H264 to 7200rpm hard drive get 40 frames. My other system, when I rendering a project to a 7200rpm hard or a standard SSD drive I see no different .

what happens to your timeline playback speed if the preview window is 1920x1080?

 

@AVsupport you mean the display, not the preview, preview (left corner under preview display) seems always indicate 960x540x32, ..

@bitman I was curious about timeline playback speeds where your source is 4K and your resolution in your main 'preview window' matches your target 1920x1080, but of course that can only happen if you have a 4K+ screen realestate, which you don't, I realize now after looking at your gear list, so please disregard. VP still struggles managing timeline preview buffers where the resolutions are high, leading to dropped frames where clips start, even though the system is fast enough for smooth playback for continuous clips. So its obviously a programming issue.