VRO -> MPEG, Then no audio

lbeck wrote on 6/13/2004, 9:17 PM
I'm a newbie to ScreenBlast but an oldby to video editing (mostly with Pinnacle products). One thing that the Studio line won't do is work with the DVD-RAM files created with my set-top DVD recorder (Panasonic DMR E-20). I read on this forum or somewhere that ScreenBlast will import the *.vro files if you change the filename estension to .MPG. I did this and, sure 'nuff, the file appeared to be imported. I was able to drag the file onto the timeline and the video plays great in the preview window. Unfortunately, there's no audio with it.

I can open the .mpg file with WMP and I get the video/audio fine, so I'm wondering if there's something simple that I'm missing. As I said, I'm new to ScreenBlast. I did a search on this forum and looked through the SB documentation.....No help. I tried rendering a small portion of the file to AVI and still no sound on the rendered portion. Is there some test that I can do on the mpg file or a portion of it to wee why SB won't deliver sound? There's also no indication of sound on the audio track of the timeline. I have turned all audio controls on and up.

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IanG wrote on 6/14/2004, 12:44 AM
It looks like the audio's recorded in Dolby Digital, which MS can't handle. You could try using VirtualDub MPEG-2, which will extract the audio and convert it to .wav. It can also convert the video to .avi, which may be an advantage if you plan to do anything more than very simple editing.

Ian G.
lbeck wrote on 6/14/2004, 4:25 PM
Thanks, Ian.

I just downloaded VD-MPEG2 and loaded the file in question. The audio portion of File/Information reads: 48 KHz Stereo, 256 Kbps, AC3.

When I select “Input Playback” I get an error message “No audio decompressor could be found to decompress the source audio format.” I haven’t done any processing of the input file, but when I select “output playback,” the video plays but there’s no audio. Any guesses as to what’s going on? Any chance that if I render the input file (it’s 2-hours long...Probably a long rendering process), that sound will somehow be present in the AVI file?
IanG wrote on 6/15/2004, 12:47 AM
It looks like VirtualDub doesn't have an inbuilt AC-3 decoder, but at least we're on the right track! Assuming you haven't got a DVD player already installed on your PC (and if you have, we're in trouble!) you need to install one - there's a free one here. I don't know if it has its own decoder, but it's a possibility. Note that this player is designed to help with DVD authoring - it may look a bit odd ;-). There's a free AC-3 decoder here, but I'd recommend starting with a DVD player because you'll probably need it if you're going to author your own DVDs.

Rendering isn't going to help, but in any event, it's always worth just selecting a short part of your video and rendering that if you want to experiment - 2 hours of video will take a long time to render!

Ian G.
lbeck wrote on 6/15/2004, 6:26 AM
Ian,

Thanks again. I have Windows Media Player and it plays the file fine (with sound). This may be getting more complicated than warranted based on my needs and the capabilities that I already have.

What sent me down this trail is a post by someone (on the Screenblast forum, I think) claiming that you can edit the .vro files created by Panasonic's DVD-RAM format by simply changing the filename extension to .mpg. By doing that I got the video but no audio, so I posted the start of this thread.

As it turns out, Panasonic supplies software to allow minor edits (e.g., remove commercials) You can then resave as vor or convert vro to mpg but it requires another processing step:

* load Panasonic's MovieAlbum SE (I think it's called)
* Import the .vro file and save it as .mpg (takes about 1/2 movie running time)

I've been using Pinnacle's Studio 9 to do most of my editing and ScreenBlast for some of it. I just use Panasonic's software to do the conversion vro->mpg. I figured that simply changing the filename may eliminate that additional conversion step where MovieAlbum SE is needed.

If I have to still use another software to do the AC-3 decoding, I'll just stick to my previous routine.

Thanks anyway... I've learned something.

Lee
SonySCS wrote on 6/15/2004, 9:07 AM
Sorry, we don't import ac-3 (Vegas 5.0 will export it). As you know, there are free/share ac-3 converters if you ever want to try a different routine.

Suzan
IndyGuy wrote on 6/15/2004, 10:33 AM
I use DVD-Lab for DVD authoring. If you add a completely rendered MPEG-2 file with audio, it wants to know if you want to demux the file. I found that when I dropped a VRO file from my Panaxonic RAM disc into DVD-Lab, it accepted it as is. But if I changed the file extension to VOB, it offered up the option to demux. Once I had a separate sound file for my video, I used BeSweet to convert the audio file to a format SB could use. I then dropped the VRO file and the audio file into SB for editing. There was no problem with OOS with the final product. I did this with a mini-series that was on earlier this year.
SonySCS wrote on 6/15/2004, 2:59 PM
I just found this relevant KB article


Suzan