vst question
mangooo
wrote on 9/13/2005, 1:02 AM
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Ben
wrote on 9/13/2005, 3:34 AM
Yes, I've been wondering exactly the same thing mangoo! I'll tell you why though - it's because Sony has badly and only half-implented the VST effect specification.
Vegas doesn't report "now time" or tempo to the plugs - this also means that any VSTs which sync to tempo (and most do now, with some not offering you the option to set manually) will not work properly in Vegas. Like you, I was very disappointed not to be able to use 'Glitch' in Vegas.
I've been meaning to post about this for a while because it's been winding me up for quite some time. Grrrr. I mean come on Sony, the one audio 'feature' (really a catch-up) you throw into Vegas 6 is damn half-baked!
Please, plase sort this out and give us full VST effect implentenation in Vegas. In fact something related that recently frustrated me is that Sony made many of it's DirectX 'XFX' plugs (the one's that ship with ACID, SF and Vegas) tempo sync-able. It'd be nice to be able to use this feature, but again Vegas isn't sending tempo information to Direct X plugs either. You'll notice this in DX plugs like PSP Nitro where you have to set the tempo manually.
Now Sony's excuse for all of this is probably that Vegas isn't a sequencer. This is ridiculous. I don't care what they want to call Vegas - Vegas <<does>> have a set-able tempo! It has a metronome. Etc. Being able to automatically sync plugins to the tempo is something one would expect from a multitrack/DAW/NLE/audio sequencer/whatever. Especially when it's an inherent part of the VST specification that Sony claim to have implented. Even the cheapest and freebie mini hosts and sequencers manage to fully implement VST correctly.
Ben
Vegas doesn't report "now time" or tempo to the plugs - this also means that any VSTs which sync to tempo (and most do now, with some not offering you the option to set manually) will not work properly in Vegas. Like you, I was very disappointed not to be able to use 'Glitch' in Vegas.
I've been meaning to post about this for a while because it's been winding me up for quite some time. Grrrr. I mean come on Sony, the one audio 'feature' (really a catch-up) you throw into Vegas 6 is damn half-baked!
Please, plase sort this out and give us full VST effect implentenation in Vegas. In fact something related that recently frustrated me is that Sony made many of it's DirectX 'XFX' plugs (the one's that ship with ACID, SF and Vegas) tempo sync-able. It'd be nice to be able to use this feature, but again Vegas isn't sending tempo information to Direct X plugs either. You'll notice this in DX plugs like PSP Nitro where you have to set the tempo manually.
Now Sony's excuse for all of this is probably that Vegas isn't a sequencer. This is ridiculous. I don't care what they want to call Vegas - Vegas <<does>> have a set-able tempo! It has a metronome. Etc. Being able to automatically sync plugins to the tempo is something one would expect from a multitrack/DAW/NLE/audio sequencer/whatever. Especially when it's an inherent part of the VST specification that Sony claim to have implented. Even the cheapest and freebie mini hosts and sequencers manage to fully implement VST correctly.
Ben
mangooo
wrote on 9/13/2005, 5:10 AM
Thanks Ben, And totally agree with you, why didnt they do it the right way from the beginning with the vst. It feels like we only have 50% of use of it.
So with other words i cant use this effect, it sucks big time.
Sony Sony Sony ..... - come on wake up.
So with other words i cant use this effect, it sucks big time.
Sony Sony Sony ..... - come on wake up.
kbruff
wrote on 11/23/2005, 7:08 AM
Out of curiosity -- would the use of VST wrapper resolve this matter, so as to create the link to the VST functionality not yet supported by Vegas?
Please reply -- thanks gents!
Please reply -- thanks gents!
ibliss
wrote on 11/23/2005, 7:16 AM
"Thanks Ben, And totally agree with you, why didnt they do it the right way from the beginning with the vst. It feels like we only have 50% of use of it"
Well of course it means that 'full VST implementation' can now be a feature of Vegas 7! That should take care of our audio needs for another year..... :(
Well of course it means that 'full VST implementation' can now be a feature of Vegas 7! That should take care of our audio needs for another year..... :(
ziggly
wrote on 12/5/2005, 6:33 PM
this thread stirs up old ghosts..
“Posted by: sstillwell
Date: 3/9/2005 5:42:32 PM
Okay, I know it's nothing particularly new, but it just struck me *thud*.
ACID has VST support.
Sound Forge 8 has/will have VST support, fer cryin'-out-loud.
If the next release of Vegas doesn't have VST support, I'm gonna bite the bullet and find something else to do with my money...like collect stamps, or mold samples.”
yes it was 9months ago that Veags audio users discussed the lack of VST support. And to think that even now it isn’t even fully implemented. Does anyone remember how the Sony Rep was saying “I think you will all be pleased with the next release of Vegas.”
here’s a question I’d really like answered, can vegas 6 work with “Xphrase VST phase synthesizer”? This is a plug-in I’ve really heard good things about…..Tell me Sony whats the workaround for someone who wants to use one of these plug-ins in their Vegas project??
Ziggly
“Posted by: sstillwell
Date: 3/9/2005 5:42:32 PM
Okay, I know it's nothing particularly new, but it just struck me *thud*.
ACID has VST support.
Sound Forge 8 has/will have VST support, fer cryin'-out-loud.
If the next release of Vegas doesn't have VST support, I'm gonna bite the bullet and find something else to do with my money...like collect stamps, or mold samples.”
yes it was 9months ago that Veags audio users discussed the lack of VST support. And to think that even now it isn’t even fully implemented. Does anyone remember how the Sony Rep was saying “I think you will all be pleased with the next release of Vegas.”
here’s a question I’d really like answered, can vegas 6 work with “Xphrase VST phase synthesizer”? This is a plug-in I’ve really heard good things about…..Tell me Sony whats the workaround for someone who wants to use one of these plug-ins in their Vegas project??
Ziggly
pwppch
wrote on 12/5/2005, 9:22 PM
Ziggly:
There are no work arounds because Vegas does not support VST Instruments.
Vegas does supports VST FX.
Steinberg's "Xphrase VST phase synthesizer" is a VST instrument.
So you cannot use Xphrase in Vegas.
If a VSTi supports being used as a VST FX, then Vegas could use its processing engine as an FX.
Xphrase does not support being used as an FX only processor, so again, you cannot use Xphrase in Vegas.
Peter
There are no work arounds because Vegas does not support VST Instruments.
Vegas does supports VST FX.
Steinberg's "Xphrase VST phase synthesizer" is a VST instrument.
So you cannot use Xphrase in Vegas.
If a VSTi supports being used as a VST FX, then Vegas could use its processing engine as an FX.
Xphrase does not support being used as an FX only processor, so again, you cannot use Xphrase in Vegas.
Peter
kbruff
wrote on 12/5/2005, 9:37 PM
this is of course is not the case when it comes to acid correct?
H2000
wrote on 12/6/2005, 10:40 AM
What about UAD-1 VST plugins? They still do not render in version 6c. Will this ever be fixed?
Will project tempo ever be sent to VST effects like it is supposed to be? it kind of defeats the purpose of having VST capabilities without full implementation.
Will project tempo ever be sent to VST effects like it is supposed to be? it kind of defeats the purpose of having VST capabilities without full implementation.
PipelineAudio
wrote on 12/6/2005, 12:22 PM
Scariest thing for me is whats on the horizon. UAD, Waves and Drumagog are all making VST only releases all of a sudden
VST needs to work in vegas
VST needs to work in vegas
bgc
wrote on 12/7/2005, 12:13 PM
Word.
ziggly
wrote on 12/12/2005, 12:56 AM
I have a question actually for pipelineaudio …but anyone on this thread can answer
my question is, for the purposes of mixing, does the plug-in Spaceboy work in Vegas6.
plz let me know, because pipeline, it seems like from your previous posts that you’re having good success mixing in Vegas. (I am not very experienced, but I am studying your thread:)
therefore plz let me know what you think of this plug-in, and how well does it work within Vegas?
www.elevayta.com
Ziggly
my question is, for the purposes of mixing, does the plug-in Spaceboy work in Vegas6.
plz let me know, because pipeline, it seems like from your previous posts that you’re having good success mixing in Vegas. (I am not very experienced, but I am studying your thread:)
therefore plz let me know what you think of this plug-in, and how well does it work within Vegas?
www.elevayta.com
Ziggly
bgc
wrote on 12/12/2005, 1:51 PM
spaceboy seemed to work in Vegas 6 for me.
PipelineAudio
wrote on 12/12/2005, 5:54 PM
Man what an interesting couple of plugins!
It seems to run, though moving controls around made it skip temporarily
Im not prepared to say ANY VST plug works well in Vegas, though some work much much better than others
It seems to run, though moving controls around made it skip temporarily
Im not prepared to say ANY VST plug works well in Vegas, though some work much much better than others