W2K Vegas Pro & Delta 1010

dr_sicel wrote on 11/18/2000, 7:47 PM
After recording a track, I am currently unable to record
subsequent tracks *without* recording the previous tracks
as well (in other words, I can't prevent some sort of
mixdown or pingponging etc...)

M-audio tells me it is the WDM (or whatever) mixer issue
inherent in W2k spec for audio... and that it is Vegas who
has to fix this... is this true? (to be honest, I'm not
entirely convinced of this...as in the control panel/media
section there is only one device and I am under the
impression there should be a device for each of the 10
inputs...)

any suggestions??

jd

Comments

Rednroll wrote on 11/19/2000, 12:08 PM
Yes, I haven't updated my registry here at SF, I can be reached at:
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Rob Hawkins wrote:
>>Brian:
>>
>>Could you E-mail me? Have question for you, regarding Pro
>>Recording Bulletin Board.(Your E-mail address doesn't work).
>>
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>
>>Rob Hawkins.
dafent wrote on 11/20/2000, 9:19 AM
believe it or notm Try this mute the Waveout 1/2 in the M-Audio mixer
applet. That should do the trick.

Remeber that Delta WDM drivers are still in beta and that Vegas will
need to be updated to support WDM in a more elegant way.

-david abraham

Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>After recording a track, I am currently unable to record
>>subsequent tracks *without* recording the previous tracks
>>as well (in other words, I can't prevent some sort of
>>mixdown or pingponging etc...)
>>
>>M-audio tells me it is the WDM (or whatever) mixer issue
>>inherent in W2k spec for audio... and that it is Vegas who
>>has to fix this... is this true? (to be honest, I'm not
>>entirely convinced of this...as in the control panel/media
>>section there is only one device and I am under the
>>impression there should be a device for each of the 10
>>inputs...)
>>
>>any suggestions??
>>
>>jd
dr_sicel wrote on 11/20/2000, 4:44 PM
Thanks for your response Dave,
if I mute Waveout 1/2 in the M-audio mixer, I cannot hear the
previous tracks, which is a problem. So, I suppose for the time
being, in order to hear the previous tracks, I either need to sit
tight (and not hear the tracks) or change operating systems...(to
like windows ME or something)... is this a fair summary?

thanx again,
jd


David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>believe it or notm Try this mute the Waveout 1/2 in the M-Audio
mixer
>>applet. That should do the trick.
>>
>>Remeber that Delta WDM drivers are still in beta and that Vegas
will
>>need to be updated to support WDM in a more elegant way.
>>
>>-david abraham
>>
>>Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>>>After recording a track, I am currently unable to record
>>>>subsequent tracks *without* recording the previous tracks
>>>>as well (in other words, I can't prevent some sort of
>>>>mixdown or pingponging etc...)
>>>>
>>>>M-audio tells me it is the WDM (or whatever) mixer issue
>>>>inherent in W2k spec for audio... and that it is Vegas who
>>>>has to fix this... is this true? (to be honest, I'm not
>>>>entirely convinced of this...as in the control panel/media
>>>>section there is only one device and I am under the
>>>>impression there should be a device for each of the 10
>>>>inputs...)
>>>>
>>>>any suggestions??
>>>>
>>>>jd
dafent wrote on 11/20/2000, 6:26 PM
that's funny I can hear the other tracks when I mute waveout. You
probably don't have the latest beta driver. Do you have the
10/26/2000 version?

-david abraham


Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>Thanks for your response Dave,
>>if I mute Waveout 1/2 in the M-audio mixer, I cannot hear the
>>previous tracks, which is a problem. So, I suppose for the time
>>being, in order to hear the previous tracks, I either need to sit
>>tight (and not hear the tracks) or change operating systems...(to
>>like windows ME or something)... is this a fair summary?
>>
>>thanx again,
>>jd
>>
>>
>>David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>>>believe it or notm Try this mute the Waveout 1/2 in the M-Audio
>>mixer
>>>>applet. That should do the trick.
>>>>
>>>>Remeber that Delta WDM drivers are still in beta and that Vegas
>>will
>>>>need to be updated to support WDM in a more elegant way.
>>>>
>>>>-david abraham
>>>>
>>>>Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>>>>>After recording a track, I am currently unable to record
>>>>>>subsequent tracks *without* recording the previous tracks
>>>>>>as well (in other words, I can't prevent some sort of
>>>>>>mixdown or pingponging etc...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>M-audio tells me it is the WDM (or whatever) mixer issue
>>>>>>inherent in W2k spec for audio... and that it is Vegas who
>>>>>>has to fix this... is this true? (to be honest, I'm not
>>>>>>entirely convinced of this...as in the control panel/media
>>>>>>section there is only one device and I am under the
>>>>>>impression there should be a device for each of the 10
>>>>>>inputs...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>any suggestions??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jd
dr_sicel wrote on 11/21/2000, 8:51 PM
you Can!? You probably aren't in Monitor/Mixer mode (in this mode the
computer's sound comes out of WavOut1/2, so by muting that, I mute
any chance at hearing my previous tracks). (BTW, I downloaded the
latest beta driver, same result...)

In the tutorial in setting up Vegas Pro w/Delta series equipment,
they instruct the user to use as many busses as there are channels
(for instance, the Delta 1010 have at least 10 busses). Then, after
you select a track for recording, you right click on the 'number'
referring to the bus to act as the input - it shows like delta 1010
wavout 1/2 and a bunch of other stuff... but when I do it on my
computer it just shows a list of Delta 1010 w/o any other specific
information...

I appreciate your comments so far,
do you think I should dump W2k?

jd

David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>that's funny I can hear the other tracks when I mute waveout. You
>>probably don't have the latest beta driver. Do you have the
>>10/26/2000 version?
>>
>>-david abraham
>>
>>
>>Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>>>Thanks for your response Dave,
>>>>if I mute Waveout 1/2 in the M-audio mixer, I cannot hear the
>>>>previous tracks, which is a problem. So, I suppose for the time
>>>>being, in order to hear the previous tracks, I either need to sit
>>>>tight (and not hear the tracks) or change operating systems...(to
>>>>like windows ME or something)... is this a fair summary?
>>>>
>>>>thanx again,
>>>>jd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>>>>>believe it or notm Try this mute the Waveout 1/2 in the M-Audio
>>>>mixer
>>>>>>applet. That should do the trick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Remeber that Delta WDM drivers are still in beta and that Vegas
>>>>will
>>>>>>need to be updated to support WDM in a more elegant way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-david abraham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>>>>>>>After recording a track, I am currently unable to record
>>>>>>>>subsequent tracks *without* recording the previous tracks
>>>>>>>>as well (in other words, I can't prevent some sort of
>>>>>>>>mixdown or pingponging etc...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>M-audio tells me it is the WDM (or whatever) mixer issue
>>>>>>>>inherent in W2k spec for audio... and that it is Vegas who
>>>>>>>>has to fix this... is this true? (to be honest, I'm not
>>>>>>>>entirely convinced of this...as in the control panel/media
>>>>>>>>section there is only one device and I am under the
>>>>>>>>impression there should be a device for each of the 10
>>>>>>>>inputs...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>any suggestions??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>jd
Kraig wrote on 11/22/2000, 8:09 AM
I'm using almost this same setup: Delta 1010, Win2K, but with Vegas
Audio 2.0b, not the Vegas Pro that came with the Delta 1010. I never
installed Vegas Pro, I figured that the upgrade to Vegas Audio was
worth the $100 for the manual and the 3 XFX effects packages.

In my case, pretty much not a Win2K session goes by that doesn't end
with Win2K reporting a IRQ conflict. I've been through it, there was
one with the Delta 1010 and the USB, but I disable USB and the problem
can still be re created when I hammer on the machine.

I'll be working on it over the long weekend. Things work well for me
under Win98 (I'm triple boot).

Anyway:

1) Is anyone having luck with the terrific trio of Win2K, Delta 1010
(stnadard non-WDM drivers) and Vegas (In Jeff's case Vegas Pro, in my
case Vegas Audio 2.0b)?

2) Jeff: I'd recommend the upgrade to Vegas Audio. I like it, even
though I do feel like the descriptions of the audio functions in the
manual are overshadowed by the descriptions of the video functions.
The effects alone make it worth the price of admission. The $10 over
the price of the "download" version that gets you the manual also
seems like a no-brainer. I think the total cost was $105 with
shipping or something.

Having multiple audio programs is great because they all have
different strengths. I know of people who use Cakewalk for MIDI and
initial tracks then switch over to Vegas for its mixing environment
and then to Red Roaster (because Sonic Foundry killed CD Architect)
for mastering and burning to CD.

Lastly Vegas Audio is bound to have more mature and well-tested code
than Vegas Pro. It's the nature of the software industry. No
commercial interest in Sonic Foundry, just learning Vegas, so far I
like it.

3) I'm having a blast learning Vegas Audio and the XFX effects work
pretty well for me. I just wish I could get it to work under Win2K

KO

Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>you Can!? You probably aren't in Monitor/Mixer mode (in this mode
the
>>computer's sound comes out of WavOut1/2, so by muting that, I mute
>>any chance at hearing my previous tracks). (BTW, I downloaded the
>>latest beta driver, same result...)
>>
>>In the tutorial in setting up Vegas Pro w/Delta series equipment,
>>they instruct the user to use as many busses as there are channels
>>(for instance, the Delta 1010 have at least 10 busses). Then, after
>>you select a track for recording, you right click on the 'number'
>>referring to the bus to act as the input - it shows like delta 1010
>>wavout 1/2 and a bunch of other stuff... but when I do it on my
>>computer it just shows a list of Delta 1010 w/o any other specific
>>information...
>>
>>I appreciate your comments so far,
>>do you think I should dump W2k?
>>
>>jd
>>
>>David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>>>that's funny I can hear the other tracks when I mute waveout.
You
>>>>probably don't have the latest beta driver. Do you have the
>>>>10/26/2000 version?
>>>>
>>>>-david abraham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>>>>>Thanks for your response Dave,
>>>>>>if I mute Waveout 1/2 in the M-audio mixer, I cannot hear the
>>>>>>previous tracks, which is a problem. So, I suppose for the time
>>>>>>being, in order to hear the previous tracks, I either need to
sit
>>>>>>tight (and not hear the tracks) or change operating
systems...(to
>>>>>>like windows ME or something)... is this a fair summary?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanx again,
>>>>>>jd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>>>>>>>believe it or notm Try this mute the Waveout 1/2 in the
M-Audio
>>>>>>mixer
>>>>>>>>applet. That should do the trick.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Remeber that Delta WDM drivers are still in beta and that
Vegas
>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>>need to be updated to support WDM in a more elegant way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-david abraham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>After recording a track, I am currently unable to record
>>>>>>>>>>subsequent tracks *without* recording the previous tracks
>>>>>>>>>>as well (in other words, I can't prevent some sort of
>>>>>>>>>>mixdown or pingponging etc...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>M-audio tells me it is the WDM (or whatever) mixer issue
>>>>>>>>>>inherent in W2k spec for audio... and that it is Vegas who
>>>>>>>>>>has to fix this... is this true? (to be honest, I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>entirely convinced of this...as in the control panel/media
>>>>>>>>>>section there is only one device and I am under the
>>>>>>>>>>impression there should be a device for each of the 10
>>>>>>>>>>inputs...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>any suggestions??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>jd
bhodgson wrote on 11/22/2000, 2:01 PM
hey there,

i have the delta 1010 and vegas as well, and I could never get the
beta WDm drivers to work either. It never recognized my card as a
full duplex interface card. Just a stereo card. I had to use the
drivers directly before the new wdm beta drivers.

brad

Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>After recording a track, I am currently unable to record
>>subsequent tracks *without* recording the previous tracks
>>as well (in other words, I can't prevent some sort of
>>mixdown or pingponging etc...)
>>
>>M-audio tells me it is the WDM (or whatever) mixer issue
>>inherent in W2k spec for audio... and that it is Vegas who
>>has to fix this... is this true? (to be honest, I'm not
>>entirely convinced of this...as in the control panel/media
>>section there is only one device and I am under the
>>impression there should be a device for each of the 10
>>inputs...)
>>
>>any suggestions??
>>
>>jd
dr_sicel wrote on 11/26/2000, 11:46 PM
Thanx all for the comments, I have, well, acheived a solution. I
dumped W2k (for the second time...drivers drivers drivers) and loaded
Windows ME, this worked beautifully. I believe the problem lies in
the delta driver (beta) which allows windows to only recognize it as
a single device, as opposed to separate devices for each input set
(WavIn 1/2 etc.....)... is this the fated WDM mixer thingy?

jd

brad hodgson wrote:
>>hey there,
>>
>>i have the delta 1010 and vegas as well, and I could never get the
>>beta WDm drivers to work either. It never recognized my card as a
>>full duplex interface card. Just a stereo card. I had to use the
>>drivers directly before the new wdm beta drivers.
>>
>>brad
>>
>>Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>>>After recording a track, I am currently unable to record
>>>>subsequent tracks *without* recording the previous tracks
>>>>as well (in other words, I can't prevent some sort of
>>>>mixdown or pingponging etc...)
>>>>
>>>>M-audio tells me it is the WDM (or whatever) mixer issue
>>>>inherent in W2k spec for audio... and that it is Vegas who
>>>>has to fix this... is this true? (to be honest, I'm not
>>>>entirely convinced of this...as in the control panel/media
>>>>section there is only one device and I am under the
>>>>impression there should be a device for each of the 10
>>>>inputs...)
>>>>
>>>>any suggestions??
>>>>
>>>>jd
jaymz wrote on 1/6/2001, 6:52 PM
Does anyone think this will ever work properly under Win2k
with the Delta 1010? I run Win2k with the 1010, Dual PIII
550 Xeons, SCSI Harddrives, 256 MB Ram and none of my audio
applciation function correctly. Vegas gives me the same
problem listed below. Cubase 3.x and N-track have issues
with the 1010 and Win2k pro as well. The reason I want to
stick with Win2k is because it takes advantage of hardware
that 98 nor ME will.

With my old SB Live i could get 48 simul tracks with
DirectFX on all. I got the 1010 so I could do multiple
simul track recording and I can't. Frustrating I tell you.

Jaymz R. Yates

Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>Thanx all for the comments, I have, well, acheived a
solution. I
>>dumped W2k (for the second time...drivers drivers
drivers) and loaded
>>Windows ME, this worked beautifully. I believe the
problem lies in
>>the delta driver (beta) which allows windows to only
recognize it as
>>a single device, as opposed to separate devices for each
input set
>>(WavIn 1/2 etc.....)... is this the fated WDM mixer
thingy?
>>
>>jd
>>
>>brad hodgson wrote:
>>>>hey there,
>>>>
>>>>i have the delta 1010 and vegas as well, and I could
never get the
>>>>beta WDm drivers to work either. It never recognized my
card as a
>>>>full duplex interface card. Just a stereo card. I had
to use the
>>>>drivers directly before the new wdm beta drivers.
>>>>
>>>>brad
>>>>
>>>>Jeff DiGiovanni wrote:
>>>>>>After recording a track, I am currently unable to
record
>>>>>>subsequent tracks *without* recording the previous
tracks
>>>>>>as well (in other words, I can't prevent some sort of
>>>>>>mixdown or pingponging etc...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>M-audio tells me it is the WDM (or whatever) mixer
issue
>>>>>>inherent in W2k spec for audio... and that it is
Vegas who
>>>>>>has to fix this... is this true? (to be honest, I'm
not
>>>>>>entirely convinced of this...as in the control
panel/media
>>>>>>section there is only one device and I am under the
>>>>>>impression there should be a device for each of the
10
>>>>>>inputs...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>any suggestions??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jd