Wacky idea, Nest This?

farss wrote on 6/9/2008, 3:27 AM

Just a random thought. How's about select a group of tracks, RClick and we get an option to make them into a nested project. Click the track that contains the nested project to get an option to expand the project back again.
Shouldn't be that difficult to implement, I've sort of been doing it manually of late but it's a bit of a pain keeping track of things. This would almost suffice as track folders that have been asked for several times.

Bob.

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Rory Cooper wrote on 6/9/2008, 4:39 AM

I have only recently started using nested projects and it makes complicated projects easier to handle so your suggestion is the natural next step

Rory

Grazie wrote on 6/9/2008, 5:24 AM

ACID has this - There it's called "Folding Tracks". Been asked for before now.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=589045

It is in ACID, it would make it consistent IF it was also available within Vegas too.

Grazie

Grazie wrote on 6/9/2008, 5:36 AM

Actually, I see Nesting differently to Folder Tracks.

Nesting: I treat them mentally as FINISHED media - yes I know I can change them right-click etc . .

Folder Tracks: This is NOT FINISHED work, but a way to organise complex and varied project-centric processes to do with the project I am working on.

These are very different and very valuable separate processes.

Maybe : "Right Click" for creating Folder Tracks?

Regards

Grazie

farss wrote on 6/9/2008, 7:17 AM

There's a subtle but to me at least very significant difference between a folder and a nest. In the audio world the difference is probably moot but not so in the video world.
In the video world of Vegas a nested project is rendered at that projects settings and the frames delivered to the parent at the projects resolution. This is msuch the same as frame serving. Say I've got a couple of tracks of high res stills and a couple more below it of video that matches my output. Now the upper track(s) need to be rendered at Best but the lower ones don't. Without nesting the only way to achieve the desired outcome is to render everything at Best. That's a huge render time waster, I just cutdown a 20 hour render to 3 hours by nesting!
To do this I save project, then Save As say "Best.veg", then delete all but the track(s) that need Best. Go back to my original project, delete the tracks that I now have in my Best.veg and nest Best. veg back into project and render. I can do it but yikes if I want to make a change!

Then I have to make the change and repeat the process. My Best.veg cannot be considered locked as it needs to line up with what's happening in what it gets nested into, like say titles over video.

So being able to work in the one project and flip a group of tracks into a new project that comes back in as a nest gets the first half done and would be great. Being able to expand the nest back into the main is even better. Edius seems to have this capability of Collapse Sequence / Expand Sequence, you can send a collapsed sequence to a bin and bring that into a another project. Still not quite the same as what I'm talking about and I think if what I'm talking about was to happen in Vegas it'd be a huge plus for the product.

Now folder tracks on the other hand are a great thing but mostly just to reduce the visual clutter. I'm all for them too as they'd make the job easier, trying to navigate a 100+ track project is no fun at all. However they don't achieve what I'm doing manually.

Maybe, just maybe what I'm suggesting is scriptable.

Bob.