What is the amount of data you can fit on DVD?

organism_seven wrote on 2/23/2003, 8:39 AM
Hi,

Can anyone tell me what the maximum amount of data is that you can fit on a DVD?
If commercial DVD's can have 9.2Gig of data on, why is it when writing to a 4.7gig blank DVD disk, DVD authoring packages usually warn you if you attempt to go beyond 4.0gig.
As I understand it, you need to leave space for the "lead-in" and "lead-out" writing process, but exactly how much space does this process actually use up?
If it takes up 200MB (Wild guess!) why can't we make full use of the remaining 4.5gig of space left?

Thanks for any light you can shed on this matter.
Regards

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vonhosen wrote on 2/23/2003, 10:20 AM
The first difference is that manufacturers of media & computers use different counting rules.
Media manufacturers count a Gb as 1000x1000x1000
Computer's use binary system so a Gb is 1024x1024x1024
Your 4.7Gb disc is therefore reported as 4.37Gb on the computer.

Then to help with bit budgeting I follow the following:-

A 4.7Gbdisc has 37,600 Megabits available.
When I first started authoring DVDs I read that I should allow 4% for overheads (navigation data, still menus etc)

Take 4% from that & you have 36,096 (Make it a nice easy round number without losing too much & you have 36,000)

So we have 36,000 Megabits to divide equally amongst all the seconds in our movies that are to be included in our project. That would give us the average bitrate for all our movies (video & audio)

Because we are working in seconds (& that's a lot of numbers) we can make it easier so instead of working on 36,000/number of seconds if we divide both sides of the equation by 60 we get

600/number of minutes = average bitrate.

An example is
600/120 minutes = average combined bitrate of 5.0Mbs
If audio is ac3 at 192kbs that would leave average bitrate of 4.8Mbs for video
If audio is PCM at 1600kbs that would leave average bitrate of 3.4Mbs for video

As I said earlier the 4% ovrehead doesn't include motion menus so you'd have to add them as movies.

I don't know about you but I'm quicker dealing with small numbers than big numbers. This method provides a fairly accurate way of maximising the available space on your disc, whilst maintaining quality. It's never failed me & that's why I pass it on.


A couple of other things of note

For compatability reasons when doing small projects I don't use as high a bitrate as this formula may allow. This is because I don't want the playback device pushed to the limit (it may result in skipping during playback)
The maximum combined bitrate you can use is 9.8Mbs but I would use a combined rate lower than that even if space allowed higher. Say 9.0Mbs. At that rate you shouldn't notice any quality hit but you are taking the strain off the decoding.

If you are adding multiple language tracks & subtitles, these will have to be catered for in your original figure for the AVERAGE bitrate.

The space on the different DVD discs is as follows:- (media manufacturer counting)
DVD-5 single sided,single layer; 4.7 GB
DVD-9 single sided,dual layer; 8.5 GB
DVD-10 double sided,single layer 9.4 GB
DVD-18 double sided,double layer 17 GB


organism_seven wrote on 2/23/2003, 1:28 PM
Wow!
Thanks for the comprehensive and detailed reply.
I'm afraid that I am probably as lazy as you can get when it comes to working out the calculations for fitting my data on to DVD.
I just find it easier to import my AVI files into TMPGEnc Plus and keep increasing the bitrates as far as possible, and just keep looking at the estimated file size that TMPGEnc Plus says it will generate. I have yet to find its calculations wrong.

Thanks again

JSWTS wrote on 2/23/2003, 2:17 PM
There are several bitrate calculators out there that can take some of the guess work out. Here is one on James Dailey's 'Unofficial ReelDVD' website that is based on an Excel spreadsheet(from Jim Taylor's DVD DeMystified book):

http://www.daileycreative.com/ReelDVD/DVDCalc.XLS

Jim