what is the VMS audio counterpart program?

s k r o o t a y p wrote on 12/18/2009, 7:10 PM

~i've been using the audio components of VMS8 plat for a while now and really enjoying it. can you recommend a full fledged audio program from Sony which utilizes the same layout & functionality i've become so familiar with and adept at in the audio portion of VMS8? i want to use it for song recording and heavily for remixing as well (keep in mind i'm still a Movie Studio rather than Vegas Pro kind of guy : )

also, what are some good sources for drum loops?

t h a n k s !

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Chienworks wrote on 12/18/2009, 7:19 PM

The audio counterpart of Vegas Movie Studio is Vegas Movie Studio. What do you want to do that you can't do with it?

If you want to get into loop-based music creation there's Acid Music Studio. It's a little tricky to learn how it differs from Vegas, but not too tricky. You'll get used to it quickly enough. It's a heck of a lot cheaper than either Vegas Pro or the full version of ACID.

Markk655 wrote on 12/18/2009, 7:53 PM

Do you men Sound Forge Audio Studo?

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/soundforgesoftware

s k r o o t a y p wrote on 12/18/2009, 8:09 PM

haha! clever answer kelly. i've thought that myself as well. and i'm sure i could go on making swell audio projects with VMS.
but since you asked, a couple of things that come to mind off the top of my head are:
~more tracks
~virtual tracks (for alternate takes)
~adjustable effects on the event itself rather than non-real time effects that have to be saved as a seperate file each time you add something (they add up) and once save are no longer adjustable
~more fade control, for instance what if you want the volume to fade down, but not all the way down, and then back up again. i guess i'm thinking of a customizable fade contour (even though VMS offers a splendid group of crossfade options already)

i was looking at cubase but i'm so used to sony that i just hoped there was a cross over

thanks for the leads!

Chienworks wrote on 12/18/2009, 8:17 PM

~ more tracks:

I believe ACID Music Studio has 10.

~ virtual tracks / takes

Vegas Pro has this, as well as unlimited real tracks.

~ event effects

Neither Vegas (studio & pro) nor ACID (studio & pro) have this

~ fade contour

Try insert / envelope / volume.

musicvid10 wrote on 12/18/2009, 8:23 PM

haha! clever answer kelly

Not clever, but correct (you don't know Kelly very well, do you?)

His "hidden" suggestion that you upgrade to Vegas Pro, arguably one of the best multitrack audio workstations available, is also not to be taken lightly.
Did you know that Vegas Pro has audio effects automation at the track level?

s k r o o t a y p wrote on 12/18/2009, 8:38 PM

thanks, that gives me some perspective

from what i'm seeing acid music studio looks a better bet for remixing type stuff than sound forge audio studio ~ any other basic differences between the 2?

vegas pro ~ perhaps one day, don't want to bite off too much (or maybe i'm just thinking it's more complex than it actually is)

yeah, i just meant (in a good way) that "the counterpart to VMS is VMS" was a coy way of stating the simple fact ~ kelly's been of indispensable help to me in the past

musicvid10 wrote on 12/18/2009, 9:21 PM

any other basic differences between the 2?

Acid supports MIDI / Loop based editing. Think of it as a beatmix program.
Sound Forge and Vegas are do not. They are audio / video editors. Hope this answers your question.

Tim L wrote on 12/19/2009, 5:33 AM

Don't forget that you can download free trials of all these programs:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/trials

Also, if you know how to use Vegas Movie Studio you already know how to use Vegas Pro. The appearance, user interface and general operation are identical, but the Pro version has unlimited tracks and a lot of additional features. There is a substantial cost difference, of course, but the "complexity" of Vegas Pro shouldn't hold you back.

Also, if youare considering getting Sound Forge Audio Studio you should look into the cost of upgrading your VMS Plat 8 to VMS 9 Platinum Pro package. The Plat Pro packages includes VMS, DVD Arch Studio, and Sound Forge Audio Studio. It might be cheaper than buying SFAS outright.

Tim

richard-amirault wrote on 12/19/2009, 2:43 PM

Don't forget that Sound Forge Audio Studio has *only* one (stereo) track. There is no multi-track feature for this software.

The PRO version has multi-track .. and a MUCH bigger price tag.

musicvid10 wrote on 12/20/2009, 7:03 AM

Sound Forge Pro has multi-channel, not multitrack capability.
There is a big difference.
Vegas is Sony's multitrack audio workstation.

s k r o o t a y p wrote on 12/20/2009, 8:33 AM

So Acid MS has 10 tracks to Sound Forge's 1?

richard-amirault wrote on 12/20/2009, 9:54 AM

So Acid MS has 10 tracks to Sound Forge's 1?

You need to be more specific about *which* "Sound Forge" you are talking about. The names of the two versions are: SOUND FORGE AUDIO STUDIO and SOUND FORGE PRO 10

For comparison between the two versions see:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/soundforge/compare#family

Chienworks wrote on 12/20/2009, 11:48 AM

Sound Forge Pro 10 has multiple channels, but they're not tracks. The difference is that all the channels work together, whereas Vegas & ACID's tracks have a high level of independence.

In Vegas you can play back some tracks while recording others. You can also drag them around independently of each other to adjust sync and timing. While these operations are somewhat possible in Sound Forge Pro's multiple channels you'll probably end up tearing your hair out if you needed to do it more than a couple times in your life.

Think of Vegas & ACID's tracks being things like lead vocal, background vocals, guitar, bass, drums, keyboard, tambourine, ocarina ... etc. They represent discreet parts of the performance. They can and often are recorded separately and edited separately. They are then mixed together.

Sound Forge's channels are more like left, center, right, rear left, rear right, etc. The material all exists together and is always played together. You wouldn't normally use any channels separately without the others.

s k r o o t a y p wrote on 12/20/2009, 12:50 PM

Acid sounds like the ticket ~ thanks so much everyone

richard-amirault wrote on 12/20/2009, 2:18 PM

If Sony offers a free trial version .. try that before spending money .. I got a version of Acid (with some other software) and could not make heads or tail's out of it with numerous trys.