What VTR are you using?

Starwipe wrote on 4/3/2003, 1:19 PM
I am new to Vegas (about 4 months) and fairly new to Video in general. I have been doing more and more projects and was starting to think about buying a VTR instead of using my camera to load in the tapes.

I was looking at the new JVC BR-DV3000U and was wondering if anyone has tried it yet or has any comments on it. Right now I just need it to load in DV tapes (and print to tape after editing), but was wondering if this unit is up to par for what I may need in a year from now. The main reason I am concerened is that it seems alot less in price then all the others out there. In other words is there something this unit does not have that I will need once I learn the craft a little better and things get more complex.

Thanks in advance,
Chris

Comments

Cheno wrote on 4/3/2003, 6:56 PM
The BR-DV3000U looks to be a fabulous deck and it's DVCam playback capabilities are why I'm looking at it. As far as missing features that you may need someday? Unless you're mastering to DVCam or DVCPro, this deck should suit you fine. I don't know if SoFo's tested it with Vegas though yet.

I'll wait for NAB but it looks like it will be the deck I buy.

mike
craftech wrote on 4/3/2003, 8:00 PM
Armato's(reputable dealer) has it for around $1700, but I would wait if I were you. JVC has dumped some trashy stuff on the public in the last 10 years. Wait until a few people have had it for awhile and have posted some complaints, if any.
John
PDB wrote on 4/4/2003, 2:08 AM
You might try asking on the JVC forum at the COW...or searching for related threads...here is the site:

http://www.creativecow.net/index.php?forumid=36
Tom Pauncz wrote on 4/4/2003, 6:03 AM
I am using a SONY DSR-25 deck and absolutely love it.
Tom
Starwipe wrote on 4/4/2003, 12:18 PM
Thanks everyone for all your help.I will be at NAB on Monday so hopefully that will help too. Maybe seeing the different models that are there up close and personal will help me decide.

Chris

Monkey wrote on 4/4/2003, 2:03 PM
Chris,

I own the JVC BR-DV3000U and use it with Vegas 4. I have experienced a few times that Vegas won't identify the VTR after changing tapes before a new capture, but I haven't figured if it is SF or JVC yet. I have only have it for a couple of weeks so I am still playing with it. It supports time code and is explemely portable... I was held up in a hotel room for 2 days with the vtr and a computer capturing and editing. I love it and I got is a B&H for $1500.
kirkdickinson wrote on 4/4/2003, 2:39 PM
I was drooling over the Sony WV-DR7 DV, but it is grey market and that kind of scared me off.

Kirk
Elizabeth Lowrey wrote on 4/4/2003, 3:02 PM
It's a Japanese-only, dual S-VHS/DV(&DVCAM) "consumer" deck, if you can consider any deck that cost in excess of $2300 "consumer". I bought it two years ago from a dealer off ebay, although I understand they are now more widely available at prices as low as $1500.

The deck, which has a far more robust transport system than any typical consumer VCR, has worked flawlessly for me so far. So as long as you're willing to sort through a hand-translated manual and all those arcane Japanese symbols:-), you should do okay. It has been instantly recognized and controlled via firewire control by 3 different systems I've hooked it up to: Canopus DV Storm, conventional 1394 firewire on PC using the SoFo capture utility, and a Mac/Media 100 system that had a firewire card hookup.

I chose it because, at the time, it was the only deck on the market that I could get my hands on for under $2500 that would play back large DVCAM tapes, and I liked the fact that it had head-to-head, pristine S-VHS dubbing capabilities. Also, because I do documentary work often using people's home movies, having VHS on the same deck for capture is a convenience.

In retrospect, however, the head to head dubbing has proved not so useful because when I chose the deck I did not fully understand the whole issue of black pedastal levels and the difference between Japanese and American NTSC standards. DV, until it is converted to an analog signal, retains a black level of 0 IRE, which is also the standard for analog black level for Japanese NTSC. On the other hand, American analog NTSC black pedastal standard is 7.5 IRE (a really dark grey). Because the deck offers no choice in head to head dubbing to upconvert the black level analog output to 7.5 (or in the hardware analog outputs on back either), you end up with a VHS dub lacking proper visual dynamic range, with muddy dark areas from clipped greys and an overall perceived darkening of the picture.

If you plan to make VHS or other analog copies of your material, you would need to make sure you have a method of converting black levels, preferably a hardware method without the time-consuming need to render all footage to a new black level in software. In my Canopus system, I could select which pedastal level the analog outputs of the hardware would use, so it worked out great for me. I could edit the DV footage in its native 0 IRE black space, ouput to DV tape still at 0 IRE, but run DV signal back into Storm for analog conversion out at 7.5 when I need VHS/analog copies.

So the negatives of the WV-DR7 as I see it are:

1) Japanese symbols for most functions on remote and onscreen display
2) no choice in IRE level for analog output
3) no component video inputs or outputs
4) no balanced audio inputs or outputs
5) built in tuner is meant for Japanese broadcast spectrum and is worth almost nothing for American terrestrial or cable frequencies

Its pluses are:

1) price
2) versatility for capturing DV and VHS/S-VSH footage from one device (provided you have computer hardware that can accept analog input)
3) playback of DV AND DVCAM format in EITHER tape size
4) instantly recognized and controlled by different types of firewire hardware and capture utilities
5) remote controlled, consumer VCR type convenience, including timer recording if you want it
6) two sets of analog inputs and outputs

More than you asked for, probably, but I hope its useful to you.:-)

Elizabeth Lowrey
Amore Productions