are you running RME 9652's ?

Hey Pipe,
I stopped by and chatted to the RME guys for ya at AES and spoke to them of your problem....there answer in a nut-shell. "Use an application that works", and then they suggested Nuendo or Samplitude. They also own samplitude BTW.

I told them of the short comings in editing of Nuendo, and that I haven't seen the latest version of Samplitude, but told them I also had issues with the user interface and editing on Samplitude 2496. They gave me a demo on the new samplitude and the user interface looks much better. Alot like Vegas as far as routing inputs and outputs. I then put them to the test on editing functions. I was able to show them 3 short comings in 5 minutes on editing, slip editing being one of them and also how you couldn't do a time stretch on multiple events. I gave them applicable uses for the editing features that they didn't have. Lights turned on and they immediately got out a notepad and scratched my recommendations down. I then turned to the midi functions of Samplitude. They said, that they new the midi features weren't the most powerful in the world and that they where working with Logic audio in implementing logic audio's midi features into Samplitude, but that deal fell through. I then asked them, "If you where looking into implementing the non-friendly user interface of logic audio, then why don't you look at Studio Vision, which had the greatest UI prior to going out of business, ala Gibson. Plus that most of the Vision users jumped to Logic Audio......You should have seen the light bulbs really flashing then.

I'm thinking if Sonic Foundry won't take my suggestion's on midi features, then at least there's another company that will. I'll have to wait for the next version on Samplitude now that I gave them my input though. I think they still might have to work on that $900 price tag too.

is something wrong with you today? I am FIRMLY on the same page as you at this moment...I am gonna go make sure that the arizona desert hasnt frozen over.

Right now Im doing a keystrokes comparison thing between Vegas and cubendo, to show the RME distributor. Tell me if this is a good test

1. Open a blank project
2. drop in a wave file
3. actually make that wave file play to a soundcard output
4. split the audio
5. move the right side of the now 2 events
6. crossfade them

Im gonna count mouse clicks + keystrokes

just because it works with cubendo doesnt mean I HAVE to use cubendo...I am seriously just considering ditching the RME cards but cant think of another double wire solution

"is something wrong with you today?"

Could be this California sun is making me delusional.

Actually, I'm getting bogged down on reading through the 100 posts of the problems you're having and would like to see you solve the problem, so we can get back to disagreeing on issues that matter.

:-)~

Frontier Design Dakota. Add the Montana, and you have 4 pairs.

Peter

RIGHT ON! any issues I need to know about? arent those ancient cards?

"...I am seriously just considering ditching the RME cards but cant think of another double wire solution."

What is this "double wire" solution you are referring too? Is this that same "Y-chord" solution you're always referring too? I have never had to use a "Y-chord" for monitoring purposes. Unless, if you count routing to 2-busses from 1 fader a "Y-chord" solution? 1 fader routed to a buss which connects to the input of my soundcard and also on the same fader route it to the stereo bus, which I monitor.

My echo Gina's work great. I love the option of being able to buy an additional card to expand. Currently I'm running 2 Gina's, which gives me a total of 8 INs and 20 outs. The nice thing is if I need more I/O, I can purcase a third to give me 12/30.

the double wire thing, I think some people call S/Mux. Its where you play the shell game/ 3 card monty with manufacturers who advertise 24/96 then you find its half the channels...so 2 adat ports for 8 channels.

8 ins would be nowhere near enough, but Im gonna see about maybe if they have a new version of the layla

As new as the RME Hammerfall is. Go look at their web site.

Call them. They are very helpful and know there stuff. Tell them I sent you. Ask around as well on other forums. They are very well respected.

Peter

Cool, I emailed em...hope they got somthing that will work for me

but anyway...what does it mean if it works in microsoft sound mapper but not windows classic wave driver ?

>>but anyway...what does it mean if it works in microsoft sound mapper but not windows classic wave driver ?
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The only difference I can identify is that the RME drivers are true Wave MME vs WDM based drivers. There is nothing specific that would make the drivers behave differently when accessed through the mapper.

Peter

"Call them. They are very helpful and know there stuff. Tell them I sent you. Ask around as well on other forums. They are very well respected."

Peter, if you haven't read my previous post to pipeline, I told him I talked to the reps from RME at AES and informed him of his problem. The guy said, "oh yeah, I think I'm familiar with this guys problem and he should use an app that works, like Nuendo or Samplitude." Is this the kind of helfulness and knowing their stuff you're referring too? When I talked to the rep, from Samplitude (also X-vision) and he showed me their new feature of being the only app that allows an "Event only processing of FX's". I replied with, "Oh really? I use Vegas Video and it has the same ability"....he said, "Vegas Video?.....never heard of it". Maybe you need to reaquant yourself with those guys from RME so they remember who you are.

I can see where the problem lies, with all the trouble shooting he's done:
setup:
P4
RME Hammerfall
Vegas 3.0

1. Works fine with RME Hammerfall, Vegas 3.0 and PIII
2. Works fine with various sound cards, Vegas 3.0 and P4.
3. Works fine with RME Hammerfall, Nuendo, and P4.
4. Locks up and studders with RME Hammerfall, Vegas 3.0 and P4.

Everyone has an out and it's easy to point the finger elsewhere.

I was actually refering to the guys at Frontier Design. The Dakota cards are top notch in my experiance.

Peter

Ahhhh...my bad Peter. The first line of your post mentioned the RME cards, so I assumed you where still referring to them in the subsequent sentence.

You see everyone....I'll admit it when I'm wrong :-)~

rednroll runs ginas, what a pro!!! yet he knocks a $4500 RME setup, granted it sounds like Pipeline has his hands full but at least he's not running creative labs or echo crapola, hehe

Get a life or get off these forums AudioMan!! You are worse than the folks you are complaining about!!! We haven't seen a single post from you that indicates you know ANYTHING other than to perpetuate the problem you are spending these last few days and nights bitching about!

drbam