which compressed AVI format on renderings?

justmetlb777 wrote on 4/19/2010, 4:39 PM
What is the standard (most common, accepted) video compression format for AVI rendering? (rendering a 4 minute video in AVI using the default template (for AVI) came up with a 9GB file - default is uncompressed - there is a whole slew of video format choices that are available in VMS9plat, I just do not know which is the right one to choose.)

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Eugenia wrote on 4/19/2010, 5:12 PM
For delivery-style AVI it's XViD. But the encodec does not come with Vegas, you have to install it yourself. Alternatively, you can just export in h.264, which today is more widely accepted than AVI. Platinum comes with the Sony AVC h.264 encoder to create .mp4 files. Tutorial: http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/11/09/exporting-with-vegas-for-vimeo-hd/

For XViD AVI, if you haven't already deleted that uncompressed AVI, load it on an app like SUPER: http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/super.png
Viddy wrote on 4/20/2010, 1:20 AM
Hi

I too use Sony Vegas Movie Sudio Platinum Pro 9 and, as always, found Eugenia's post very interesting and helpful regarding the rendering of videos etc. I do have a couple of points upon which I am not 100% clear though:

I checked out your (Eugenia) blog page about exporting with Vegas for Vimeo but am wondering if a bit more explanation about point number 2 would be possible:

"2. Ensuring visual quality
After you have edited, select ALL clips in the timeline (e.g. by using the SHIFT key), right click, Switches, Disable Resample. By disabling resample we ensure no ghosted image (especially if you used slow-motion)."

...I am not sure how this "Disable Resample" really works. For example, regarding the no-ghosting' on slow-motion — do you mean that this is only going to improve things in the editing preview mode or will it actually improve the final rendered slo-mo section? I use slo-mo a fair bit. Also, are there any undesirable side-effects of using the Switch to disable resampling? I guess I am not sure exactly what this resampling disable actually does - whilst editing AND for final rendering. Any more info woyld be great.

Also, in your reply you mention that "for delivery-style AVI it's XVID" but that the encodec does not come with SVMSPP9 and that you have to install it. How do you achieve this - what gets installed where?

Finally, you mentioned that you can just export to "Sony AVC h.264 encoder" I normally render my final 1280x720 videos to WMV as I think that Sony Vegas does a good job at a reasonable file size in this format. I will also, quite often, create/render an MPEG2 with separate audio track — in case I might want to make a DVD at some point in the future. However, I do see MP4 formats increasingly on sites like YouTube and Vimeo and am thinking that maybe I should render my final videos in several formats to give me the best options for any future use I might have for the final edited video. If you think that rendering a Sony AVC MP4 is a good idea what settings would you suggest for a top-notch archived render. I notice that there isn't actually a standard 1280x720 AVC template in Movie Studio - I know that I can create a customised one but then there are so many options (bitrate being a very varied option etc). To sum up my last point - I guess that what I want to do (after sweating hours on editing a video project) is to try to be 'future-proof' in what final render formats I create. It's unlikely, once I have finished editing a video, that I will keep all the project files, clips etc... so am unlikely to have the opportunity to re-open the project, re-render etc. Maybe other users have a 'stock set of render format types' that they customarily save/render when they have finished an editing project?

Hope the above doesn't come over too dumb!!!

Cheers
Viddy
Eugenia wrote on 4/20/2010, 1:58 AM
>it actually improve the final rendered slo-mo section?

Yes. When you slow-mo by a random factor, Vegas creates intermediate frames out of nowhere, and that looks like "ghosting". No, you don't hurt anything, you just making your picture clearer. I'm personally a supporter of the idea on Vegas to disable resampling by default.

> How do you achieve this - what gets installed where?

It gets installed in the main system, and Vegas can then query the main system for AVI codecs.
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Koepi_XviD.htm

>I normally render my final 1280x720 videos to WMV

My linked tutorial also shows how to export in WMV. If WMV works for you, continue using it. It's also popular.
hydrogin wrote on 4/27/2010, 11:19 PM
I shoot a lot of action videos and routinely disable resampling as well.

In practice, when would one want to use Smart Resampling or force Resampling on?

Lance
Eugenia wrote on 4/28/2010, 8:54 AM
I always turn it off. I see no point of it. Having the editor creating intermediate frames out of thin air, and resulting in ghosting, is never good. Unless you specifically want that effect, as a special effect. In my opinion, resampling should have never been ON by default (since it kicks in most of the time, even when it's set to "smart" resampling).