Which Lower Third Is Better?

jrazz wrote on 10/31/2008, 9:26 PM
I have two lower thirds that I made (thanks to Bob/Farss for pointing me to the free textures website) and I want to get your opinion on which one you like better. The only real difference is one is faster than the other.

They will be used for Mixed Martial Arts to tag the fighter and his specialty.

The link.
(please right click and save as as opposed to just clicking them)

Thanks guys.

j razz


reberclark wrote on 10/31/2008, 9:39 PM
I like the slower one - it gives me time to absorb all the info (visual and text).
Grazie wrote on 11/1/2008, 1:21 AM
A lot more work on this J.

Too much, too fast. I like the Style and feel but the CS music needs to be now heard seen with the movement.

1] Hold the BG. Do NOT have it shaking. I'm guessing here it's mimicking the thuds and falls of an earthquake-like energy? Maybe LESS shaking?

2] The Font style is gothic-ish? Yes? How does that work with Martial arts?

3] If this is supposed to be "Grungy", rather than Far East Martial, then I'd go even MORE grungy than you have!! Have slices of rust and heavy machinery and post apocalyptic and so on slamming into a predetermined shape. And a Swish sound announcing them.

. . then . .

4] Bring in the words

Look, lower thirds are about narrative too. If they ain't, then DON'T do it. But here you have a great opportunity to pursue something that would be mindblowingly powerful. At the moment, J, IMO, you are kinda fiddling with the options.

If yah wanna SKYPE me you are more than welcome.


jrazz wrote on 11/1/2008, 8:16 AM
See. This is what I am talking about. A guy half way across the world giving good solid advice and (and I say) offers to help out via Skype.

Show me a better forum. Can you? I submit that you cannot!


I may just take you up on the Skype thing, however I must put on my electrician hat today and run some wire and redo some outlets and switches at the house today. Possibly tonight if I can catch you on I will look you up.

j razz
tcbetka wrote on 11/1/2008, 9:17 AM
Well j razz, after I stopped seizing from all the motion, I played the slow motion version...COOL! Then, being nosy, I played the Cinescore file--and liked that too. ;)

I also like the Skype idea. I subscribe to GoToMeeting, and the Skype comment got me thinking. Maybe I can find someone with Ultimate S Pro to show me the product via GTM? That'd be cool--to be able to have experienced folks use GoToMeeting to show less experienced folks something that they are struggling with. I am not advocating free online webinars or anything like that; simply a "hey, this is how this works" type of thing. Nothing more than 5-10 minutes or so. IMO, this would be a huge help to someone learning a technique in Vegas, but struggling to figure it out. The bandwidth required to show real-time changes on the timeline is much higher than that provided through typical high-speed internet connectivity, so it isn't like you can do a lot in real time. But you can certainly demonstrate to some one how to use a plug-in, run a script, set up an effect...those types of things.

[r]Evolution wrote on 11/2/2008, 5:06 PM
I don't think you can tell which is better without seeing the 3rd with the Corresponding Video underneath. They both look 'energetic' and that's definitely what MMA is.

I would have to see the Full Picture before making a decision.

jrazz wrote on 11/3/2008, 5:30 AM
I would have posted some footage of the fights, but that is not possible due to the contract I have with them.

If you ever need help with with US4 just skype me. My username is j.razz1

Grazie, if I can catch you on skype at a decent hour here, I would love to see your ideas.

I plan on filming the fighters individually against green screen that will fight in this circuit and have them shrunk down to be a part of the lower third.

j razz
Grazie wrote on 11/3/2008, 5:34 AM
Can you see me online now? I bet you can!!

jrazz wrote on 11/3/2008, 9:25 AM
I sent you the link Grazie. Thanks again.

j razz
Bob Greaves wrote on 11/4/2008, 5:31 AM
Either one is a good start but the words need to intermittently completely stabilize and stop moving. Perhaps a cluster at a time can hold still. Those of us with astigmatism cannot read them because they do not hold still long enough for us to get our focus.

I am a former martial arts instructor and like the creative approach but I do suffer from strong astigmatism. I actually gave up trying to read it. I could only read it by putting it in a loop and allowing it to repeat several times as I attempted to grab different aspects each loop through.
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/4/2008, 10:09 AM
IMO, the faster version is better, left on-screen longer. Think of your audience. Most of the folks in this forum likely are not your audience.
Think "ADD" and keep the focus happening on the screen with the fast motion, just keyed longer. Perhaps another layer with the same text info, but slightly less motion.