Why no sequences

funkytwig wrote on 2/14/2014, 11:25 AM
I edit long form and often end up with 30 plus sequences. Like a lot of editors nowadays I tend to use sequences, rather than bins, to organise footage. This is primarily because it is easy to scrub through them to find stuff. Obviously having 30 plus version of Vegas open at the same time and nesting projects is not going to work.

I was using Vegas 10 but a few years ago moved to FCP 7 then premiere due to its lack of sequences. Its a real shame because Vegas really missed out of the mass exodus from FCP 7. I put this down to Vegas not having sequences, and also the way it hard links clip names to file names.

Real shame, its the only reason I can see for a lot of people not using Vegas.



johnmeyer wrote on 2/14/2014, 11:28 AM
Don't subclips provide some (or all) of what you want?
funkytwig wrote on 2/14/2014, 11:59 AM
No, the point of a sequence is you can put all the clips (or parts of clips/subclips) together so they can easily be accessed. So you may put all the nice exterior shots or say a fairground. Then when you need one you simply open sequence and scrub through footage. The problem with bins is you need to click on each clip in turn to load it into viewer.
JohnW1234 wrote on 2/14/2014, 12:12 PM
I do the same thing with sub tracks. Because they are below the top track they wont show unless you want them to. And you can black them out too if needed.
videoITguy wrote on 2/14/2014, 12:18 PM
It turns out this topic turns up once every quarter - the truth be told the other NLE's scream jealousy of VegasPro - because as has been previously pointed out many times - handling subclips and the process of nesting is a better user friendly process for workflow.

The one issue that has come up - is that it would be really a nice function to have a good media manager alongside VegasPro - and there are options to do that as was recently pointed out in related threads.
Grazie wrote on 2/14/2014, 12:34 PM
Subclips aren't Global - Media in Media Manager is.


JohnW1234 wrote on 2/14/2014, 1:19 PM
I'm not sure I know what that means that sub tracks or clips aren't global?
Chienworks wrote on 2/14/2014, 3:33 PM
They only exist in the project within which they were created, and aren't accessible to other projects.

Media Manager items are available in any project.
rmack350 wrote on 2/14/2014, 5:46 PM
Subclips don't really do it. Nested veg files approaches the idea of a sequence but it's awkward if you want to work this way.

The solution would probably be for Vegas to have some concept of a "project" that contains multiple veg files and could allow you to switch between them a little more easily. So, if you're working in your project you just create a new Veg file (a sequence) and edit it as you like. Maybe you want to edit a scene, maybe you want some sort of organizational timeline. Then you could switch back to your master veg file and drop the sequences into it.

Vegas is very close to doing this. It's just that you either have to switch between instances of Vegas or close one veg to open another. Sequences would consolidate the workflow a little more. A "Project" might allow you to have master timeline settings for all of your veg files.

robwood wrote on 2/14/2014, 6:05 PM
sequences in Vegas would be useful; having more options/choices is a good thing.
Steve Mann wrote on 2/14/2014, 6:39 PM
"They only exist in the project within which they were created, and aren't accessible to other projects."

That's because subclips are simply in/out pointers to the media files. They don't physically exist.
ushere wrote on 2/15/2014, 12:25 AM
i have dragged subclips (in a media bin) from one open project to another with no problems.
Grazie wrote on 2/15/2014, 1:24 AM
Leslie you make a worthy point that with 2 instances open we can juggle between 2 or even 3 or more (?) projects.

Now, Leslie, what would I need to do if I wanted 100 subclips that exsisted in 100 different Vegas projects? Even if I could remember where those 100 were - which I wouldn't - what CAN be done with 2 instances of Vegas open wouldn't be a solution here.


ushere wrote on 2/15/2014, 3:02 AM
go on grazie, make life difficult ;-p

of course you're perfectly correct, my solution required only a couple of instances open...

i did once try media manager, but have no idea what's happened to it or whether it had any significant upgrade to the original version i used, and disliked.
deusx wrote on 2/15/2014, 4:16 AM
>>> The problem with bins is you need to click on each clip in turn to load it into viewer.<<<<

Since when? Either we are talking about completely different things or.... I don't know what.

I can select 100 ( or any number ) clips and just drag them into Vegas.
Each track can be a sequence. I don't see what is special about the way premiere does it other than actually calling it a sequence, which makes no practical difference whatsoever.