Why premiere more stable than vegas?

Zayed wrote on 6/4/2014, 10:07 AM
I really really feel very bad about sony with formats and platform

Now I'm confuse that with 4K Black Magic Production camera formats can't work well with Sony and I convert it to DNxHD and still some problems show ups like black clips and freezing and other stuff

Can anyone please help me to tell me what the best format for Veags ?
friendly formats that can add more than 50 clips in timeline with out problem and export it with good quilty for color correction (DaVinci Resolve)

I really love Vegas and I been use it since version 3 but sooner or later I will jump to premiere because non of these problems show up and can deal with all formats !!!

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malowz wrote on 6/4/2014, 11:16 AM
what is the "can't work well"? how did you convert to DNxHD?
Zayed wrote on 6/4/2014, 12:38 PM
After one min of the project the clips in the explore become black and when add it in timeline still black !!! Why ?
OldSmoke wrote on 6/4/2014, 1:17 PM
Zayed

Would you mind putting up your system specs so that we can rule out hardware or driver issues?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 6/4/2014, 2:34 PM
..."sooner or later I will jump to premiere"...
Good luck with that, lol.
Something else is causing you this issue in Vegas, i've worked with more
than that on the Vegas timeline with no issues.
Zayed wrote on 6/4/2014, 3:10 PM
But This problem driver me crazy even I been use Sony Vegas from Version 3

Can you please help me ?
farss wrote on 6/4/2014, 4:31 PM
Premiere seems to use a less user friendly but more stable approach to the way certain things get done.

One thing I've found with Vegas is to turn down as much of the user friendly stuff as possible i.e. don't drag files from its explorer window onto the timeline. Simple select them and choose Add to Project Media. Then go and have a long coffee break before trying to add them from there to the timeline.

Bob.
John_Cline wrote on 6/4/2014, 4:47 PM
Go hang out at the Adobe Premiere forums and then come back here and tell us now much more stable it is than Vegas.

Vegas uses Apple's Quicktime for handling .MOV files like DNxHD. Apple knows nothing about writing stable code for the PC, I call it "Quirktime". Your issues can probably be solved by updating Quicktime (or going back to a previous version.)

I avoid Quirktime whenever possible. I use Cineform as an intermediate instead and it works great.
NormanPCN wrote on 6/4/2014, 5:37 PM
I call it "Quirktime"

A term worthy of wide propagation.
Zayed wrote on 6/5/2014, 12:51 AM
I never use Adobe Premiere in my life the only software I work is Sony vegas and Avid Media Composer for 3 years

But I love Sony so much ....... But with big format like DNxHD has limit in Sony my question Why ?

Why they don't fix it ? I love DNxHD format because color grade

So what I can do now ?!?
JohnnyRoy wrote on 6/5/2014, 7:18 AM
> "Can anyone please help me to tell me what the best format for Veags ? friendly formats that can add more than 50 clips in timeline with out problem and export it with good quilty for color correction (DaVinci Resolve) "

In general, stay away from anything QuickTime if you have a lot of files because Vegas Pro uses the 32-bit version of QuickTime and you do run out of memory eventually.

I have found Cineform to still be the best digital intermediary for working with Vegas Pro.

~jr
Zayed wrote on 6/5/2014, 12:03 PM
John

How I can get Cineform ? it's free ?

I don't worry about the convert because my footage is 4K and I want to know what is best format specifications for Vegas and color grading in the same time ?

Laurence wrote on 6/5/2014, 2:06 PM
XDcam .mfx or XDcam .mp4 formats are very good as well. They are very good quality looks wise, are a fraction of the size of DNxHD or Cineform, and absolutely fly during previews and renders. They won't hold up to successive rerenders like Cineform or DNxHD, but they work fine for everything else. They also smart-render (or at least XDcam mxf smart-renders. XDcam mp4 smart-renders have been temporarily disabled).
TheHappyFriar wrote on 6/6/2014, 5:22 AM
If you don't own Premiere, how do you KNOW it's more stable then Vegas? :?
malowz wrote on 6/6/2014, 5:55 AM
i can say i'm anti-adobe, i never liked the way they conducted business, hated the changes they did to premiere since version "1.0 pro"

but i got to admit, as im using Photoshop CC and After Effects CC, their software NEVER CRASHED/FREEZE since they launched CS6 (2 years i believe) and im installed in this semi-old PC. i use photoshop daily, AE almost daily, and ive never had any problem. ZERO.

but in vegas, and in the same PC, 2~3 freezes/crashes a day. undoing, making simple operations (like cutting a event) etc... im tired of seeing the "send crash report" windows popping up...

last time i've reinstalled win7x64 on this PC, i installed vegas with no plugins, no GPU acceleration, no extension, no nothing, just vegas (to make sure the plugins where not the cause of crashes) . same thing. crashes witch AVCHD files, .AVI files...

don't know what adobe did, but they did a great job on stability, at least for me. i can't say for everyone.
Zayed wrote on 6/6/2014, 6:04 AM
When I said premiere more stable than vegas because all my friends works with out crashes with 4K and different formats except me because I fall in love about Vegas workflow but it's see SCS they do nothing to make this software strong enough !!!

from my point of view the king of edit is Avid Media Composer because I have never ever watch it freezing like Vegas did ..... but what I can tell I fall in love with Sony and I want them to make it very strong !!!

subchaz wrote on 6/6/2014, 8:10 AM
I run Prem cc and Vegas and Media Com,

so far pro 13 has been just as stable as Prem has in fact with multi cam work
Vegas wins hands down,

it seems to me that SCS have done a few things under the hood on 13,

i had moved over to prem cc for most of my work because it cut better and it handle color better and adobe had sorted out the problems with file imports,

now as for Avid well i avoid using that out of the 3 its the most unstable

i think it comes down to systems more so than ever now,editing 4k needs a big machine regardless of platform

and top end graphics cards
TheHappyFriar wrote on 6/6/2014, 10:28 AM
Vegas doesn't give me problems so I don't even consider Premiere. I wanted to learn AE, but now it's subscription based, it's not a plugin for Vegas, Boris might be a better option or something along those lines.