Why should my brother buy Vegas instead of Storm 2

Duffy wrote on 11/17/2003, 11:52 PM
I am trying to convince my brother in South Africa to get Vegas instead of upgrading to Canopus Storm 2. Can anyone give comparisons/advise on why Vegas will be better. (PS I am in Oz)

I have sent him a copy of the V4 demo and manual, but he has not yet received it.

Thanks to all in anticipation

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StormMarc wrote on 11/18/2003, 4:00 AM
Duffy,

I own DV Storm 2 and Premiere 6.5 and these days use V4 almost exclusively even though it is not realtime like the Storm. I use it with a Canopus ADVC box.

My reasons are:

Storm is a nice board but the native Canopus software like Edius, Canopus edit is too limited and the Premiere plugins are very clunky to use. Color correction is lame (except the auto white balance which I hope Sony will introduce soon). I have been using Canopus for a while and they take way too long to improve things and always say something good is coming soon. I'm sick of waiting. Vegas and Premiere have never been very stable together either and each company says it's the others fault. At current, Storm and Premiere Pro is worse than Premiere Pro with an OCHI card because there are problems with the drivers. Will this get resolved? I would wait and see because I have learned not to buy vaporware. Matrox sounds like it may have a better handle on things with PPro. Titler in Premiere is very nice though.

Vegas on the other hand is a real joy to edit with (besides the rendering) and the more I learn it the more I am absolutley amazed at how well engineered it is. It's cheaper so you can put more towards extra computer horsepower or Boris Red. And most off all it's much more stable and the feature list in Vegas actually works where many of the Premiere 6.5 features do not (at least when using it with Canopus).

Good luck,

Marc
netkoala wrote on 11/18/2003, 4:55 AM
because these people have brains.
They can code.
No backward compatability problems, no started a model in the 60's problem.
It is neatly built and functional.

How frustrating is it when you committ yourself to a package and find out after months of work that frame indexing is all stuffed up and memory becomes a problem when batching.

These guys rock and it would be very hard to go past this software.
The scripting ability is great.
The forumn is great.

You will be hard pressed to find fault.




Sab wrote on 11/18/2003, 7:42 AM
The real core of your question is a Premiere vs Vegas discussion (or possibly Edius vs Vegas). The real-time hardware is another. Both of these issues have been tossed around a lot here and in other forums with passionate reasons to use each product on both sides of the issue.

There is no way anyone can answer your question directly except maybe to say it all comes down to personal workflow preferences and individual needs.

He could start by searching this forum for discussions on the matter as there are several!

Mike
logiquem wrote on 11/18/2003, 9:02 AM
Well,

I made a couple of projects with Media studio at first. Worked very well, but it is very limited in term of feature, quality and real time.

So i paid 1000$ 2 years ago for a Canopus / Premiere bundle, upgraded /reinstalled anything on the computer to be compatible with the card. And started the project. When it worked, real time NTSC was pretty good.

But then the problems started...

Premiere quited 6 times a day when just trying to insert a title, scrubbing or moving something.

Without more than 75-100 elements in the project (nothing exotic, just some DV and plain bitmap!), i had to wait 12 minutes just to see Premiere open. Later, it did not started at all. Memory use is absolutly atroceous: i had to add another 512 Mo ram just to open and render the project in smaller section .

Then, it was time to render in mpeg and guess what ? The Canopus exporter never worked at all!

I could give you 30 more examples of things that were supposed to work with the Canopus/Premiere *solution* but never worked at all for thousand of good and bad reasons... In every editing session, 60% of my efforts goes just to trying to figure why the things that where supposed to work did not work...

Then i tried Vegas just for fun a couple of hours, and outputted a complete project in the evening. I ordered it with Architect on the following morning and never came back to anything else since...
Rogueone wrote on 11/18/2003, 9:27 AM
I've had no experience with Canopus, but I tried Premiere. In short, it didn't make a bit of sense. I dragged a sample clip onto the editing station, then sat there thinking, 'now what?'. Everything I tried just didn't work, and then I realized you had to render just to view any changes!

I then tried Vegas. Tried the same sample clip, and after a few minutes, sat back and thought 'Wow!'. Vegas made everything easier. It just all made sense. Then there's the Preview window; forget rendering to view changes, it's all right there! And Vegas is a lot more stable. Premiere crashed several times, even just trying to open a clip. I got Vegas to crash once, and I can't even remember the reason why. But it opened back up and loaded an automatic restore, so no work was lost. Then finally, this forum. If there's one for Premiere, I haven't found it. But I don't need to. Just about any question you have, there's an answer for in this forum.

Earlier this spring I didn't know a thing about digital video editing. With Vegas, though, it's a different story. It's just an intuitive program that works great.

Cheers,
Rogue One
Duffy wrote on 11/18/2003, 7:24 PM
Thanks to everyone for their comments. I have been using Vegas for 3 - 4 yrs now and dislike Premier intensely. I took the easy way out as over there they pay per minute for web-time and I wantred all your answers on one page to copy him in. I will take the suggestion and search some Premier/Vegas comparisins on the forum and copy him in on those too.

Another satisfied Lunchtime Lurker

pb wrote on 11/18/2003, 9:23 PM
That Storm card is great for MPEG1/2 encoding. Canopus is sneaky, though, because you can't output from Vegas to tape directly with the Res 100. You have to capture with the DV capture utility then edit in vegas, render to avi then put the clip on a Premiere 6.5 timeline to go to tape. The big seller for me is the renderless encoding to DVD compliant MPEG. However, I would NOT spend my own money on the Canopus Storm solution. You can buy two super computers and three Vegas licenses for the price of one Res 100 c/w Storm and Pukemiere.

Peter
wobblyboy wrote on 11/18/2003, 9:45 PM
I run Vegas and Primere together with no stability problems. I can't make Vegas blow up.
Flack wrote on 11/18/2003, 9:54 PM
I used Media Studio Pro for about 5 years and I thought it was good, but like the posts above I had loads of trouble with it and spent more time trying to get it to work than actually editing my work.
So I tried Premiere and did not like it one bit, screen layout bad, learning curve to steep and again it crashed a lot.

So I tried Vegas that a mate of mine had suggested and I was hooked for me its stable never crashed or lost any work, very easy to learn and system friendly as well.
Tell him to go for Vegas its the best option, plus all the helpfull and knowledgeable members on this board thrown in as well. I work nights and I can spend a lot of time reading through the posts and its amazing what you can pickup and learn through them.

Flack ...