Will Vegas ever be able to edit MKVs at the same speed it edits mp4s?

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Steve_Rhoden wrote on 9/18/2021, 1:31 PM

@Miles-Thatch, Have you also tried contacting OBS, informing them of the issue you are having with their software like what you are doing here, and to make mp4 exports more stable?

Last of all, MKV is not a favorable format for editing on any platform.

Miles-Thatch wrote on 9/18/2021, 2:03 PM

@Miles-Thatch, Have you also tried contacting OBS, informing them of the issue you are having with their software like what you are doing here, and to make mp4 exports more stable?

Last of all, MKV is not a favorable format for editing on any platform.

There's nothing's wrong with OBS in this case. It does exactly what it's supposed to. If you record in MP4 in any recording software and the software crashes, the file will be corrupted. MKV's preserve that footage even if you plug out the power cord mid recording.

It's Vegas not supporting proper MKV editing that is an issue. In any case I've come to a conclusion that I have to stick with Remuxing MKVs to MP4s for now until the industry catches up.

Former user wrote on 9/18/2021, 6:28 PM

@Miles-Thatch, Have you also tried contacting OBS, informing them of the issue you are having with their software like what you are doing here, and to make mp4 exports more stable?

Last of all, MKV is not a favorable format for editing on any platform.


Vegas has a technical limitation where it's unable to GPU decode codecs that it can decode in MP4 format. Not a problem at 1080P60 AVC with a decent computer, but HEVC or 4K AVC could be problematic. Also if Vegas ever supports VP9 it wouldn't be able to play the PlayStation 5 4K60 VP9 screen recordings (mkv rewrap) which I suspect is why VP9 is not supported. VP9 without GPU decode is as much of a problem as HEVC without GPU decode

wwaag wrote on 9/18/2021, 7:44 PM

@Miles-Thatch

So the problem occurs only when, for whatever reason, your system fails to finish recording--you can open an incomplete MKV but not an incomplete MP4?

If you haven't, you might want to search for a solution. Just did a google search on "open mp4 file that has not finished" and there were a number of hits with suggestions including software designed to "open" incomplete MP4 recordings. You might want to take a look. Perhaps you could find a workaround.

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Miles-Thatch wrote on 9/18/2021, 7:55 PM

@Miles-Thatch

So the problem occurs only when, for whatever reason, your system fails to finish recording--you can open an incomplete MKV but not an incomplete MP4?

If you haven't, you might want to search for a solution. Just did a google search on "open mp4 file that has not finished" and there were a number of hits with suggestions including software designed to "open" incomplete MP4 recordings. You might want to take a look. Perhaps you could find a workaround.

In a nutshell. If I chose to record in MP4. Any unexpected closure of the program, be it due to power outage, computer crash, windows deciding to shut down for an update, hard drive disconnected or OBS crashes - the mp4 file is corrupted. I read up that it is due to the file not being finalized with correct mp4 footer information. Any software I've tried the claims to be able to restore and finalize the footage had failed. At the point I had decided to never record with MP4 and use MKV instead. Imagine if Vegas Cashes during render. You most likely don't get to keep a functional partially rendered video - depending the the export settings.

MKV containers are much more robust, since if, for any reason, the recording stops, It is preserved. I can't count how many times we've lost footage due to anything, from a power outage, to OBS crashing, to me just looking at it funny. Sometimes if you forget, you can just run out of hard drive space and it won't be able to finalize it.

In any case, I've gone back to using VLC for remuxing and just gonna have to get more hard drives for backup until MKV support improves. As far as I see it, it's better than risking recording to MP4 and potentially losing unique one of a kind footage and commentary that we cannot get back.

 

Former user wrote on 9/18/2021, 8:12 PM
 

MKV containers are much more robust, since if, for any reason, the recording stops, It is preserved. I can't count how many times we've lost footage due to anything, from a power outage, to OBS crashing, to me just looking at it funny. Sometimes if you forget, you can just run out of hard drive space and it won't be able to finalize it.

The explanation I"ve heard is that MKV as well as FLV are streamable formats that must survive disconnections and screen recording is like streaming to a hard drive, if a disconnection happens the file is fully playable. MP4 is not a streaming format, and if 'disconnected' while streaming to HDD it leaves a corrupt file

Miles-Thatch wrote on 9/18/2021, 8:25 PM

Roger.

So at this time, my options are

1) Expose myself to potentially losing footage but being able to edit it in it's raw form

2) Wait for Vegas or Davinci to make adequate support for MKV 🙁🙁🙁

3) Keep recording to MKV and Remixing

Former user wrote on 9/18/2021, 8:41 PM
 

2) Wait for Vegas or Davinci to make adequate support for MKV 🙁🙁🙁

 

Resolve does not do GPU decode, Resolve Studio does. Also apparently Adobe are going to bring back MKV playback to support VP9 codec. By doing that they will be bringing back support for AVC/HEVC using MKV which they unusually stopped supporting 2 years ago

 

eikira wrote on 9/23/2021, 6:38 AM

I well may have overlooked that, but i still will just put it in here.

What about doing the part from OBS with the working containers, meaning MKV. and than just use FFMPEG to rewrap?

FFMPEG.exe -i superbgamingshowoff.mkv -c copy superbgamingshowoff.mp4

?

and if ffmpeg does put out an error, there is a container issue with the stuff you want to be put in there.