I can only say that it has been working for me other than a bug if remote into another machine while rendering. But that's anecdotal. I'm a developer so I've been running all releases including RTM for a while and compatibility is very high.
Those of you who are choosing to run VegasPro12 on a Windows8 installed OS should carefully check your install of the AppleQuickTime (version number, please) app. Try to verify if VegasPro12 will read a .mov wrapped file from outside of your environment, as well as check whether you can render from Vegas timeline to .mov wrapped output.
For that matter check to see whether Quicktime is currently supporting any other applications residing on your Windows8 PC.
any pro will tell you NEVER us an os for business UNTIL the first sp is released....
it's fine having a fling / play with win8, but to run a complex piece of software on a system that it isn't certified for, nor on a os that hasn't been fully debugged is probably asking for a lot of sleepless nights ;-(
I know we're getting a little off topic here, but I have to agree with the previous comments about the overall usefulness of Windows 8. I don't have any touchscreens, I like my two 27" ViewSonic screens and don't plan to replace them any time soon.
It took me 10 hours (that's right, TEN hours) to install Windows 8 yesterday. (Too long of a story to tell here now) And after I finally got it up and running I was surprised to see that besides the "Start Screen", very little has changed. In fact underneath the "Start Screen" my desktop looks exactly like it did in Windows 7. They added some bells and whistles, but so far I haven't noticed any difference in performance.
I'm a big software junkie, I have to have the latest versions of everything, even if I don't need it. And if I had it to do all over again, I would've just kept Windows 7. And I suggest if you are not going to use Windows 8 for it's touch screen usage, then don't bother with it. I liked my Start button where it was, and it was just a simple click to get to it. Now if I want to get to the Start Screen, I have to move the mouse in just the right position in the corner of my screen, which is very clumsy and not as user-friendly as the good old plain Start Button.
I'm sure I'll get used to it, but for all practical purposes, it's really just Windows 7 with some added "window dressing" (no pun intended).
Save your money. For a desktop with no touchscreens it's just not worth the time, effort and money for the upgrade!
Why would you want to upgrade to W8 unless you are a big fan of touch screens.
Why would you want to install MacOS/Windows/OS2/etc. unless you're a big fan of waving your hand around on your desk!
Really, the best thing MS ever did is support touch screen right out of the box. Apple takes away DVD/BD burners, commonly used codec's, re-does their UI several times, changes their "superior" CPU to an "inferior" WinTel CPU, but is praised along the way.
MS changes the UI and it's lambasted and so far I haven't read a bad thing about it except that the UI was changed. And I haven't read anything that says it's horrible, just that people MIGHT think it's horrible.
Leee if you press the windows key it will take you back to the start screen, and also move your mouse to the lower left of the screen and a start screen pops up, just click it and you are back. I do agree that is it not really that impressive and to shut down is really annoying.
One thing that I have found is there is a spell checker in most apps now it is working in this post I did not know that was part of W8
But back to the OP I am using Movie Studio 12, Acid Studio 9 and Sound Forge Studio 10 on this computer (my old edit PC) and it all seems to work so far.
I just started Movie studio 12 and it popped the Eula up I agreed and closed the program and started it again and poof the Eula again it pops up every time I start the program and also Acid. So there is a problem after all I am going to start a ticket right now.
I probably will not be putting 8 on my full time edit PC until I have to.
I just had a thought I wonder how Vegas will work on the new 8 tablets. I played with one of the new Samsung tabs today not an RT version but one with real 8 on it and it felt really fast so if anyone has bought a new tablet let us know it Vegas works on it.
I've been using Vegas 12 on Windows 8 RTM just fine, the only issue I believe so far is that gpu encoding doesn't seem to work with my NVidia 670. I posted about it here and others were saying that Vegas 12 with an NVidia 670 did support gpu encoding on Windows 7, so I presume it's not working for me due to Windows 8. Barring that it's all running well, very happy with Windows 8 as well, to me it's clearly better than Windows 7 as it runs smoother, faster, uses less ram, etc, I personally would never go back to Windows 7 but to each their own.
I've been using W8 on my main laptop and two of my other computers for months and I love it. I want it everywhere. I will proceed slowly upgrading my main vegas editing machine, only because it is my main machine and it will take time to reinstall everything as I definitely plan on doing a fresh install. I'll probably keep my Win 7 install and put W8 on a different drive and boot to that drive when I have the time to get it up to snuff. I don't have any touch screens, W8 works great with with any wheel mouse and it is definitely zippier than W7, and truth be told, some of the new phone like apps are really useful and many of them free, lots of innovative stuff out there, and more to come.
Editguy: Thanks for the Windows key tip, that's quite handy.
Do you know of any shortcuts to power off or sleep? I think this is my biggest pet peeve with W8, Why would they put the power button in the SETTINGS window??? Can it be in a more inconvenient and illogical place?
EDIT: Never mind, I figured out it's quicker to do Ctrl-Alt-Del, and then click on the power button. But still, putting the power button in the settings section? I'd love to hear the engineers' explanation for that one!
Leee, i suspect it may have something to do with the fact that most people never shut down a phone or tablet. Turning it off is probably more associated with maintenance than with normal user functions.
This is just one more sign that Windows 8 was pushed from tiny device to the big desktop without any concern for appropriateness.
When last I played with Win8 it seemed like it was heavily, heavily, heavily dependent on the keyboard shortcuts that Windows has had for the last 10-12 years. Yes, you could touch a touchscreen or use a mouse/trackpad, but traditional keyboard shortcuts seemed like the fastest way to go.
The problem is that probably no one uses keyboard shortcuts exclusively. Having to retrain yourself in mouse navigation will be frustrating.
I have little doubt that I would be able to (eventually) find my way around Windows 8's GUI. Easy or akward at first, I'm not worried. What does worry me is how well Vegas 12 performs in it once it is up and running.
> "This is just one more sign that Windows 8 was pushed from tiny device to the big desktop without any concern for appropriateness."
You mean you don't want your desktop to look like a phone that has only 3.5% marketshare? lol
> "I don't have any touch screens, W8 works great with with any wheel mouse"
That has not been my experience. It seems that everything is harder to do with a mouse in Windows 8. None of the gestures work. The Metro interface shows 1/2 the screen and if you try and swipe left with your mouse to see the other half it does nothing. You have to know to hover your mouse over the bottom of the screen until scroll bars appear and then use the scroll bars to see the right side of the interface. By contrast, on my MacBook Pro, all of the gestures I use on my iPad and iPhone are supported on Mac OS X. I guess if you don't know how seamless the experience could be, Windows 8 looks good but it fell far short of my expectations.
I thought I could get away with just using the desktop and ignoring Metro but the Desktop has NO WAY to launch applications because there is no Start Menu. Microsoft expects you to go back out the Metro interface to start a new desktop app just to throw you back to the desktop. Duh! That's the most ridiculous design I've ever seen.
From the short time that I've used Windows 8, I see no reason for anyone that doesn't have a touch screen PC to upgrade because everything is 10x harder to do because it's designed for a touch screen and not a mouse. It's probably a great OS for a tablet, but my desktop is not a tablet, nor do I want it to be. Just my 2 cents. :)
As far as Vegas 12 running under W8, so far it has worked perfectly for me. I only have it on my laptop and haven't had V12 for all that long. V11 worked perfectly as well. All of my plugins etc. No issues, of course I never had any issues with V11 on any of my machines. One thing that I've found impressive about W8, as I've been using it for months, is how well 3rd party hardware has worked actually better than W7 on the 2 machines I tried it on. I have a Line 6 UX1 usb sound card and an M-Audio Fast Track usb, both ran better, with lowest latency settings than they did on the same machines in W7, a pleasant surprise.
Caveat... neither of these machines are my main editing system so I did not do that much Vegas work on them, but I did render several projects on my laptop with no problems. One multicam concert with mixed hd cameras and several single camera projects with canon DSLR footage. Can't say that they ran or previewed any faster but they certainly weren't any slower than under W7.
Also.. to Johnny re: mouse scrolling in W8. Gestures haven't worked for me either on a regular wheel mouse, I never knew they were supposed to, but the wheel seems to always work, when in a horizontal app, which seems to be all Metro style apps, the wheel scrolls you horizontally, works better than gestures in my opinion. I bought one of those new MS mice that is touch and it works really well with gestures but I still find I prefer the wheel, more precise. When hovering over a vertical scroll, it scrolls vertical, horizontal/horizontal.
>"I see one of the features of Windows 8 is running virtual machines. I'm curious whether anyone has run Vegas virtually. It could solve a lot of problems . . . or create many others."
It'll install & run, but in a VM using a Windows host it's slower because 1) you still have to use resources powering Windows, & 2) you have no GPU hardware acceleration.
The difference between a real & virtual machine is a with the real machine the OS accesses the hardware directly -- with a VM the OS accesses the VM Host software instead. On a specialized server setup the distance or layers between the the Guest OS [what you think of as the VM] & real hardware is as minimal as possible -- running the VM Host software in Windows that Host has to go through Windows like any other app, and you're using however many CPU cores, however much RAM to power Windows itself, with the Guest OS at best using whatever portion's left. Also be aware that real & virtual machines count the same when it comes to licensing -- a Windows guest has to be licensed, same as the regular copy of Windows you're running -- if you have to license an app to run in your regular Windows, you'll often need a 2nd license to run a copy in the VM, same as if you installed it on a 2nd PC.
BTW, VMWare &/or VirtualBox VM software will run on almost anything, so win8 might not matter a lot in that regard -- a lot of people, including tech pros prefer those to Microsoft's Virtual PC stuff, sometimes a Lot.
> "any pro will tell you NEVER us an os for business UNTIL the first sp is released...."
Multiple reports say win7's SP1 was the last Windows SP, Ever. Your statement, which is accurate BTW, is why. If everyone waits for the SP, don't use them & they'll have no excuse not to look at your new stuff & buy.
>"I'd say Win8 was debugged more then Vegas (any version). I'm hoping to upgrade to it in 2013 myself."
There are some dueling stats, but overall less people used the win8 preview, providing feedback, problem reports etc. than win7. Research & you'll find reports of how MS released win8 before everything was done because it was on a deadline. Not good or bad -- it just is -- that's often the accepted model for software companies... get it mostly working, get it out the door, then wrap it up & fix stuff.
> "MS changes the UI and it's lambasted and so far I haven't read a bad thing about it except that the UI was changed. And I haven't read anything that says it's horrible, just that people MIGHT think it's horrible."
MS added a touchscreen interface to drive perceived demand for apps in its store [so developers would write them], & to give the impression of a unified OS -- why take away the Start Menu if you're not driving people to your app store by encouraging them to use the touchscreen BS? Note that MS has said quite often why it COULD eliminate the Start Menu -- it never has said why it DID. Lots of people resent that attempt at manipulation, & get angry over it. Reality is that a slightly improved, but a bit more plane version of win7 lies underneath, so add a replacement Start Menu if you want & have at it -- if you can ignore the marketing no reason to get upset.
As far as the touchscreen interface itself, just consider where/why/when people use touchscreens -- they're hardly some new invention or tech [one of their early uses was with apes studying their ability to learn language etc.]. They're fine on our tablets & smartphones, where it's physically impossible to maintain the screen size yet have something else & still hold it in one hand. On a PC at your desk the monitor's too far away. For precise stuff like graphics, we gave up finger painting when we were 5 or 6. On a regular monitor using a mouse, with the last several versions of Windows you could have easily added huge icons to your desktop, &/or made it wider so you had to scroll -- why didn't you? As far as the widgets go, some people like to run screensavers, some like widgets covering their screen, some people like to use their monitor's real estate for actually doing something, like displaying the windows for the apps they're working in.
Please don't get me wrong -- I do like win8 -- I don't hate Microsoft -- I don't hate touchscreens, at least when & where they're the only option or add some practical benefit. I also know the bare minimum about marketing, & realize it when some company is trying to sell rainbows & unicorns via smoke & mirrors.
More directly to the comment, win8 isn't horrible -- it's built on win7 so it wouldn't be. On a desktop PC the touchscreen interface is less practical -- once they know there's an alternative that matters more to some than others. The thing I have seen lots of people agree on is that Microsoft's marketing may indeed be horrible, whether it's the hassles from them removing the Start Menu [which was a pure marketing move], their not mentioning how easy it is to get beyond the TS interface, or the myriad baseless claims that win8 is so much more than it is, a slightly improved win7. :)
> "I just started Movie studio 12 and it popped the Eula up I agreed and closed the program and started it again and poof the Eula again it pops up every time I start the program and also Acid. So there is a problem after all I am going to start a ticket right now."
You might try running as admin so registration stuff gets written to the registry. If you're running 64 bit win8 you **might** check that the needed registry entries are also added to the Wow6432Node keys -- 1st had that problem when win7 came out, & had to duplicate a couple of Sony app related keys to those sections.
> "the only issue I believe so far is that gpu encoding doesn't seem to work with my NVidia 670."
I'd suspect a driver issue -- it's taking a while for ATI & Nvidia to get all the kinks out. After a backup you might want to try installing the latest Nvidia win8 driverset -- never trust the graphics drivers that come with Windows for an add-on card.
> "I do have a touch screen computer and would love to try Windows 8, but am scared to commit. How safe is a dual boot with both operating systems?"
1) Make sure to check out the licensing end of things, particularly if you're a pro. 2) You might have to use something like the free EasyBCD to revert to win7's boot loader -- I had to both with a physical PC & a VM [yes, I dual-booted win7 & 8 in a VM -- why not? :) ] 3) If you dual boot XP & win8, XP will delete win8's VSS records, e.g. you'll lose any win8 (or win7) restore points when you start XP. 4) Otherwise the multiple OSes are completely separate -- the only way win8 could screw up your other versions of Windows is if you had an error or malware that damaged all or part of the data on the HDD, something that can happen in any version of Windows, but you just have more on HDD(s) & so more to lose.
> "From the short time that I've used Windows 8, I see no reason for anyone that doesn't have a touch screen PC to upgrade because everything is 10x harder to do because it's designed for a touch screen and not a mouse. It's probably a great OS for a tablet, but my desktop is not a tablet, nor do I want it to be. Just my 2 cents. :)"
Personally don't see any reason not to just ditch the touchscreen interface -- there are loads of apps that put a Start Menu back in place if you want/need one, & once you dive beneath the touchscreen stuff it's just like win7, albeit a bit more plain. As a plus it has greater compatibility & better memory mgmt. As a negative, you've got potential driver issues & some video/audio stuff is handled differently by win8, so there's a chance that not everything you're using today will work.
> "OK, so lets say you are in Windows 8, and you've finally figured out how to get Vegas 12 to start up... now how well does it run?"