Workflow for AVCHD Canon VIXIA HF10 HD

ddm wrote on 3/10/2009, 10:33 PM
I've done some searching here and I can't seem to find just a simple workflow for these AVCHD cameras in Vegas. My guess is that you copy the files from the camera thru USB and then create an intermediate before editing. Can you use the Cineform codec that comes with Vegas or do you need their commercial product. I've read the problem stories regarding rendering AVCHD in Vegas, does that include using Vegas to convert each file to an intermediate, as well, or just rendering complex timelines full of AVCHD file? Any thoughts welcomed. thanks.

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Hulk wrote on 3/10/2009, 10:52 PM
I have the HF100.
Here's my workflow.

Put the SDHC card in the memory slot in my computer.
Copy files to hard drive.
Edit native AVCHD files in Vegas.

No big deal, no problem.

I have a Core2Duo at 3.2GHz and have no issues.

- Mark
FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 3/11/2009, 3:56 AM
I have the Canon AVCHD HF10 and I do exactly what Hunk say's (or else :) You will need a fairly desent PC to handle AVCHD though.

Another thing, before you start, set your project settings to what your output is going to be, If your output is DVD or Blu-ray then set accordingly by using one of the templates.
blink3times wrote on 3/11/2009, 4:02 AM
It's my experience that whether or not you will have crashing problems depends on the depth of the editing you will do. There are times where I can render a whole avchd timeline in its native form... and times when I do nothing but crash.

The most dependable why so far though is to convert to cineform before importing to Vegas. Cineform Neo Scene works fine (the cineform codec already in Vegas is not the same).

Use the supplied converter in Neo to convert your avchd files (it does do batch conversions) then import to Vegas, do your editing then export what ever you choose. I like to go with mpeg2 on export because it's quite a bit faster... but you will not get as much on a disk.
ddm wrote on 3/11/2009, 11:46 AM
Thanks, guys. Exactly what I needed to know.
Jim H wrote on 3/11/2009, 3:51 PM
Access the camera via VASST's (NewBlueFX) Upshift, batch convert over to HD in one step. Edit normal M2T files.
Tomsde wrote on 3/12/2009, 7:53 AM
I have the same camera, I perfer to off load my video files from the camera to flash card to my hard drive. I can then rename files to my liking. It also avoids having to install any camera drivers; etc.

Doing experiments with ACDVH Upshift in Vegas I've found that only half the processor resources are used compared with the original unconverted file. The down side is for the best quality conversion the file size becomes approximate 3x larger. I also use Pinnacle Studio 12 Ultimate addition and unfortunately it can't read the converted files; so I can only do this if I work in Vegas.
reberclark wrote on 3/12/2009, 8:09 AM
Hi all. I'm using the Canon HF100 (same as HF10 without internal memory) and am evaluating Upshift. Many of you have done experiments with Upshift and I was wondering - since the Canon uses a variable bitrate do you select the variable bitrate option in Upshift? What settings have you settled on? Thanks for any info.
UlfLaursen wrote on 3/12/2009, 9:10 AM
Hi

I have 2 HF100's. In my workflow I first copy the files to my harddrive using the Imagemixer 3 software that comes with the camera (at least in PAL land) to stitch the 2 GB (15 min. files) together.
I have trried without and I get small glitches where the two clips meet.

/Ulf
blink3times wrote on 3/12/2009, 9:21 AM
"software that comes with the camera (at least in PAL land) to stitch the 2 GB (15 min. files) together. I have trried without and I get small glitches where the two clips meet."

This is a big problem with most if not ALL of these hard drive/flash cams. They're all formatted as FAT32 so they can't go past the 4 gig mark without breaking the file. When they do break the file, they pay no attention to the GOP... so a gop session gets chopped up. If these files aren't stitched back together BEFORE importing to your nle (thereby completing the gop again) then the incomplete gop at either ends will show up as lost frames or glitches.
UlfLaursen wrote on 3/12/2009, 10:59 PM
Thanks Blink - good explanation.

/Ulf
FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 3/13/2009, 12:50 AM
Hey Blink, thanks for the noteworthy point of FAT file system on memory cards. Tell us, what is the longest time you can record as to be under the 4GB file size limit?

- Craig
UlfLaursen wrote on 3/13/2009, 9:11 AM
As far as I know, the filesize limit on Canon HF100 is 2GB, and in best quality (17 Mb) it is 15 min. I guess Sony and others have aprox. the same, so I would assume that on 4GB files it would be ½ hrs.

Maybe others can contribute or correct me, if I'm wrong.

Thanks.

/Ulf
FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 3/13/2009, 11:55 AM
I know that FAT16 has file limit of 2.1GB. So its not the cameras limitation but rather the file system, FAT32 has a much larger limit of which i'm not sure, regardless we are using FAT16 on the memory modules.