What I am "looking" to do and what I can "afford" to do don't always jibe! :) And yes, I know Vegas was really not made to collaborate. In many ways that suits me because I am a 1-man production unit here at the office. But for my personal work I'd like to work with some film folk, and even here at the office, I have to trade work with local broadcasters.

In the broadcast realm, I need to hand off finished work for broadcast, and ingest materials from the local TV stations for use here at my office.

Independently, I am shooting, grading, and looking to hand off to others to finish their workflow. Sometimes I finish the workflow. But it's the middle of the workflow that is so onerous. When they want to hand me something to color, or I cut a timecode burn proxy for them to cut and send me back a decision list. That is where things tend to get dicey.

I know I need to move to something else to collaborate, and really that's a shame. Not sure if I can afford to get a Mojo in here.

For output to DPX, After Effects should give you what you need. I could get AE to read an AAF file from Vegas and others here also report it working.

Note that the CF codecs are now cross platform, they work on PCs and Macs. At least some post houses will accept CF files for a film out.

Bob.

Yea, but I'd have to BUY Cineform. Because the freebie doesn't do 1920x1080.

question: why would a company add a free feature for something that, like you said, everybody already uses and pays a GOOD amount to use? :)

Who knows, it may end up in vegas 9 but i wouldn't bet on it any time sooner.

DPX was asked for three years back...wishful thinking.

Because I use DPX and it doesn't cost me a dime. BUT I cannot do it without a stupid work-around in Vegas. Panavision has an AWESOME DPX viewer/converter that I use. Avid's FREE Metafuze product uses DPX, unfortunately, the MXF file it generates cannot be opened in Vegas, nor in anything else that I can find.

Even REDCine allows DPX output as a free program. It couldn't be THAT hard to do.

Yea, figures.

There's actually multiple flavours of DPX... a lot of them I believe.

Oh no, Vegas can use MXF natively!

It must be true, because it says so in the Wikipedia article on MXF.

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I'm using DPX files now and would love to even just edit with them in Vegas then you could colour correct in After effects. Maybe there is a way to use DPX files in Vegas I don't know about? You certainly can't edit in After effects.

Please Sony fix it for me..

Mark

Use proxies.
You should be able to render something editable in Vegas out of AE.
Then export AAF out of Vegas, might be easier to bounce it through Ppro first.
I doubt we'll ever see DPX in Vegas, DNG or OpenEXR maybe but don't hold your breath.

Personally I'd leave the hard work to a post house that knows what they're doing, even a paper EDL is suitable for them.

Bob.

Hi Bob

So if I render out a file in after effects from the DPX Files that is compatible with Vegas. Then cut in Vegas and save as an AFF file then open it in After effects I can replace the footage in after effects with the DPX files leaving them edited ready to go? Is that right?

Mark

If your interested Bob here's a frame grab from some test footage taken from a vision 3 test film using a ditto scanner. May take a while to load it's 7.91mb This was using an Arri BL with a mark one zeiss lens and anamorphic lens added

http://yswjya.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pyfu2XP5cUQvaP6h9VCFJ46qAoGhQKvEtjxhRCykuvQfOESCt_8fylrlxGxvqQNFuxLYW_0fa1hQTD08_O7qXtQ/FRAME%20from%2016mm%20film.bmp

I'm interested and downloaded it, thanks. As I've learned judging an image from a film scan is no simple matter.

"So if I render out a file in after effects from the DPX Files that is compatible with Vegas. Then cut in Vegas and save as an AFF file then open it in After effects I can replace the footage in after effects with the DPX files leaving them edited ready to go? Is that right?"

Yes, that's what I'm suggesting you test, several times just to be sure.
Keep in mind that you're going to have a monsterous amount of data to wrangle with DPX, with a 2K scan around 4TB, 4K allow 20TB. It doesn't sound that much by todays standards but consider that your servers need to be 101% reliable and able to deliver that data in a timely manner. I'd suggest considering the high end Cineform codecs to keep things manageable. I've only messed with the Cineform 2K RAW out of our SI-2K and performance is pretty good.

Bob.

Thanks Bob

Yes I've now worked out a workflow to degrain colour correct and edit DPX files on a laptop. What I want to do is make a qualty three minute film I'm estimating it will take 1200' of 16mm film scanned at 1704x1233 and will be about 400GB I then want to edit it down before the next steps.

Here's a storyboard.

http://www.vimeo.com/3239609

This is the opening to my proposed film. I'm hoping I might be able to use this to get some interest.

There's also a quick version of the test footage here Just really to have a look at vision 3 before creating a high quality version.

http://www.vimeo.com/3863393

Mark