@MarkAnthony121

If the clip you uploaded is actual camera footage, then you didn't shoot CLOG 3.

The clip I downloaded is 422 REC 709, very common, and has quite a bit less latitude for grading than flat-gamma log.

That said, I'll give it a shot at grading in VP 18, and upload the sample project for you to play with. Until then . . .

@MarkAnthony121

If the clip you uploaded is actual camera footage, then you didn't shoot CLOG 3.

The clip I downloaded is 422 REC 709, very common, and has quite a bit less latitude for grading than flat-gamma log.

That said, I'll give it a shot at grading in VP 18, and upload the sample project for you to play with. Until then . . .

Then you're looking at someone else's clip. That's clearly not rec 709 and factually a CLOG3 clips straight from my Canon R5.

These are the characteristics of the file I downloaded from your link.

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\John\Downloads\8N9A5513.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/hvc1/CAEP)
File size                                : 490 MiB
Duration                                 : 12 s 12 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 342 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 59.940 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Format Range@L5.2@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 12 s 12 ms
Bit rate                                 : 341 Mb/s
Width                                    : 4 096 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 1.896
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.644
Stream size                              : 489 MiB (100%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC
Color range                              : Full
matrix_coefficients_Original             : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 12 s 11 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 256 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 371 KiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC

Other
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 12 s 12 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 03:48:01;26
Time code of last frame                  : 03:48:13;25
Time code, stripped                      : No
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC

It looks like an HEVC copy (or proxy) of a log gamma clip. You can look at the MediaInfo for the file I downloaded for yourself.

Then you're looking at someone else's clip. 

What is that???

Please try to be a little more gracious with those who are trying to help you by giving us the the benefit of the doubt once in a while.

That being said, applying the CLOG 3 profile to the Media Properties in Vegas in order to replace the missing metadata from the 'HEVC 10 bit 4:2:2 REC709 Full' file I downloade to match your "presumed original" colorspace, gives the desire effect, and I could certainly work with that to provide the grading example I offered.

If you like, I can still do that; however, I know that you have some experience, so you may prefer to pick up the ball from here and run with it. Either way is fine with me.

Best of the Spirit of the Holidays.

These are the characteristics of the file I downloaded from your link.

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\John\Downloads\8N9A5513.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/hvc1/CAEP)
File size                                : 490 MiB
Duration                                 : 12 s 12 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 342 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 59.940 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Format Range@L5.2@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 12 s 12 ms
Bit rate                                 : 341 Mb/s
Width                                    : 4 096 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 1.896
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.644
Stream size                              : 489 MiB (100%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC
Color range                              : Full
matrix_coefficients_Original             : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 12 s 11 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 256 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 371 KiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC

Other
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 12 s 12 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 03:48:01;26
Time code of last frame                  : 03:48:13;25
Time code, stripped                      : No
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-23 21:13:33 UTC

 

I understand, I used Mediainfo as well. Does this indicate that it's rec709? I mean it IS CLOG3. That's the settings. CLOG3, cinema gamut. So if it's not recording something correctly I need to change it

It looks like an HEVC copy (or proxy) of a log gamma clip. You can look at the MediaInfo for the file I downloaded for yourself.

Then you're looking at someone else's clip. 

What is that???

Please try to be a little more gracious with those who are trying to help you by giving us the the benefit of the doubt once in a while.

That said, applying the CLOG 3 profile to the Media Properties in Vegas in order to replace the missing metadata from the file I downloade to match your "presumed original" colorspace, gives the desire effect, and I could certainly work with that to provide the grading example I offered.

If you like, I can still do that; however, I know that you have some experience, so you may prefer to pick up the ball from here and run with it. Either way is fine with me.

Best of the Spirit of the Holidays.

So this then brings up a lot of curiosity then. Why in the world is my R5 recording something that shows up as an HEVC copy (or proxy) of a log gamma clip. Now I need to investigate my settings in camera

It looks like an HEVC copy (or proxy) of a log gamma clip. You can look at the MediaInfo for the file I downloaded for yourself.

Then you're looking at someone else's clip. 

What is that???

Please try to be a little more gracious with those who are trying to help you by giving us the the benefit of the doubt once in a while.

That being said, applying the CLOG 3 profile to the Media Properties in Vegas in order to replace the missing metadata from the file I downloade to match your "presumed original" colorspace, gives the desire effect, and I could certainly work with that to provide the grading example I offered.

If you like, I can still do that; however, I know that you have some experience, so you may prefer to pick up the ball from here and run with it. Either way is fine with me.

Best of the Spirit of the Holidays.

Also there was nothing 'not gracious' in my response. I always appreciate the help of people here because I'm not that knowledgeable. I was genuinely concerned that you actually WERE looking at someone else's clip info. And you made a wrong assumption that I didn't shoot it in CLOG3. I factually 100% shot it in CLOG3 in the cinema gamut, IPB. Whether or not some other setting or issue is causing the clip to record a certain way is another story. Don't assume "you didn't shoot that clip in CLOG3" because I did. Instead provide info for what I should be looking at, and what specific info would be DIFFERENT in what you'd consider to be a true CLOG3 clip instead of telling me that I'm being ungrateful. I've been scouring online for sample CLOG3 clips and they all come up bt709 in media info

VEGAS doesn't have highlight recovery like Lightroom does. If you care about the sky I'd shoot a bit darker.

The two ways to correct it are with ACES (32-bit full) and then select a color space for the media matching what your camera settings were.

From there I'd first fix log exposure and then make the subject look good with curves. You can pull back highlights a bit with the RL wheels in the color grading panel.

For saturation you could just increase colors you want like green with HSL curves and not affect skin tones.

Alternatively you can try the preset LUTs in the color grading panel or download the official Canon ones (clog3 to Rec709 3D LUT seems right) and the do the same steps.

I find a lot of these manufacturer LUTs (and ACES IDTs) are made for cinema vs consumer cameras and don't look quite right. There is a Leeming LUT for the R5 for C-logC and bt.709 color space. Set zebras to keep highlights under 85%. https://www.leeminglutpro.com/

Your video looks really unhealthy compared to what would be expected, use cinema gamut as your color space in future.

This is not graded, it's the starting position, but with your video tone mapping is applied to try to save it.

VEGAS doesn't have highlight recovery like Lightroom does. If you care about the sky I'd shoot a bit darker.

The two ways to correct it are with ACES (32-bit full) and then select a color space for the media matching what your camera settings were.

From there I'd first fix log exposure and then make the subject look good with curves. You can pull back highlights a bit with the color grading panel.

For saturation you could just increase colors you want like green with HSL curves and not affect skin tones.

Alternatively you can try the preset LUTs in the color grading panel or download the official Canon ones (clog3 to Rec709 3D LUT seems right) and the do the same steps.

I find a lot of these manufacturer LUTs (and ACES IDTs) are made for cinema vs consumer cameras and don't look quite right. There is a Leeming LUT for the R5 for C-logC and bt.709 color space. Set zebras to keep highlights under 85%. https://www.leeminglutpro.com/

 

Thank you, this is good info. I'll definitely try this but my main concern has been answered, and that is when it comes to higher level color correction like better highlight recover, or shadows, Vegas is my limiting factor. Hence why most high level wedding filmmakers use either Premier or Resolve

You're not going to beat Photoshop's algorithms in Vegas. Resolve's Wide Gamut tools are also excellent, and if you just can't get the highlight recovery you need in Vegas, I'd recommend trying those--although there is a bit of a learning curve there. Within Vegas, you might try playing around with the levels fx's gamma slider to pull down the highlights, then brighten the shadows by pulling up the tangent bar on the left side of the color curves fx in series.

That's because you're shooting on a gh5s, not because of limitations of VLOG.

You're not going to beat Photoshop's algorithms in Vegas. Resolve's Wide Gamut tools are also excellent, and if you just can't get the highlight recovery you need in Vegas, I'd recommend trying those--although there is a bit of a learning curve there. Within Vegas, you might try playing around with the levels fx's gamma slider to pull down the highlights, then brighten the shadows by pulling up the tangent bar on the left side of the color curves fx in series.

Yep I figured. Probably will learn Resolve eventually. Even if it's for a few clips that really need help.

For something totally different, I came up with this:

Here's how I did it in vp20:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1adjEZUbGjSwEL6W89kSB3I1pIZIL4x1k/view?usp=drive_link

Using Zdepth to remove and replace the sky is also an option in V21.

@mark-y - Oh really!? - And the other thing, this is a semi-public Forum, do you have permission to "share" the facial identities here?

@mark-y - Oh really!? - And the other thing, this is a semi-public Forum, do you have permission to "share" the facial identities here?

What facial identities are you referring to?

TAXI!

The MediaInfo for the clip you uploaded and we downloaded is not wrong; it appears that you were correct about shooting in CLOG 3, and uploaded something else, and then passed it off as "downloading someone else's clip."

Done here.

@mark-y His clip is clog3. Canon's metadata is a little misleading. Proof is that his clip worked fine with the Canon clog3-to-bt709 lut that I usually use with my own Canon xf605.

The MediaInfo for the clip you uploaded and we downloaded is not wrong; it appears that you were correct about shooting in CLOG 3, and uploaded something else, and then passed it off as "downloading someone else's clip."

Done here.

Thank you, I'm glad we're done here. I rarely go on here so I'm not sure if being this sour is your regular routine but I wouldn't want help from someone who engages in childish fits. If you bothered to READ my other posts you would clearly see that I acknowledge what MediaInfo states however that doesn't change the fact that you are factually WRONG about me not shooting that specific clip in CLOG3. You just made up a baseless assumption that I shot in CLOG3 but uploaded "something else". I went back through 2 years of weddings checking clips with mediainfo, including CLOG3 clips found online and ALL OF THEM HAVE THE SAME RESULTS IN MEDIA INFO. If you want to argue that CLOG3 is rec709 lol, then get a hold of Canon and tell them.

The MediaInfo for the clip you uploaded and we downloaded is not wrong; it appears that you were correct about shooting in CLOG 3, and uploaded something else, and then passed it off as "downloading someone else's clip."

Done here.

@mark-y His clip is clog3. Canon's metadata is a little misleading. Proof is that his clip worked fine with the Canon clog3-to-bt709 lut that I usually use with my own Canon xf605.

Thank you, I thought I was actually losing my mind with him telling me over and over that it's rec709 footage when I clearly see it's not lol. I think I got the answers I needed. It genuinely seems vegas is slightly the limiting factor when it comes to intense highlight or shadow recovery so it's high time I learned Resolve.

Did your version of VEGAS come with Colorfast 2? You can isolate some highlight/shadow corrections there.

Also consider downloading the Canon LUTs here for a good starting point: https://my.canon/en/support/EOS%20R5/model