Suggestions For Ways VEGAS Can Improve

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Howard-Vigorita wrote on 9/19/2022, 6:14 PM

As well as startup and exit scripts.

@Howard-Vigorita This can already be done. You can tell VEGAS to run a script upon startup. You just start VEGAS from a batch file something like:

"c:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 20.0\vegas200.exe" -SCRIPT:"d:\StartupScript.cs"

Plus, Custom Commands can monitor for "AppInitialized" which would occur on the startup of VEGAS and also monitor for "AppWindowClosing" and "AppWindowClosed" which might be useful for an exiting script. I'd have to do some testing to verify exactly how these event handlers work.

What are the types of things you're wanting to do on startup and exit?

Thanks... @jetdv Sure if there was a way, you'd know. If I knew how, I'd run a startup script to monitor the main Vegas app window and issue this command as soon as it closed:

%SystemRoot%\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\powershell.exe "taskkill /IM vegas200.exe /F 

Running a command manually to kick Vegas out of Memory every time I restart is getting tiresome.

jetdv wrote on 9/19/2022, 7:01 PM

@Howard-Vigorita A script is a run and done. A custom command stays running all the time. So it seems this would need to be part of a custom command instead of a script. However, the extension would need to really make sure VEGAS was exiting before trying to run this command.

What happens if you put both my line (don't even need the 'SCRIPT:... part) and my line in the same batch file? Then when you want to start VEGAS, start it using that batch file instead? Will the batch file wait until you exit VEGAS to run the next line? Or would it never run because it "thinks it's still running"? Looks like there's potentially a lot of variables here.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 9/19/2022, 8:10 PM

I do have a powershell script to start Vegas which 'almost' works. Problem is Vegas doesn't issue its exit code till it exits memory long after it closes the app window. Only seems to do this on my laptops with Nvidia+Intel igpus. This is the powershell script:

Start-Process -Wait -FilePath "C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 20.0\vegas200.exe"
if($?) {
echo program successful!!!!
pause
}

Only complication I can think of is the perfect kill should only hit the one instance of Vegas if there were more than 1.

Seb-o wrote on 9/19/2022, 8:57 PM

Ditto on Performance/stablity. (of course, and thanks fr0sty/team for "getting it.")

GUI: Key Commands for Select next/previous Event and simlarly, Event above/below. So one can Keep a PanCrop/FX window open (you can do this with mouse select, but needs Key command). Also Programmable Mouse options.

Range select as in Samplitude - IOW, can lasso-select any time-line rectangle, verically/horizontally, without necessarily selecting whole events IOW, cuts on the frame, not event edge. Options for audio follow (selected range) or video only. That selected range can be deleted/copied/moved any direction, and maybe compressed/ expanded with/without time ripple

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 9/20/2022, 8:41 PM

@jetdv Took your hint to look at the application window in a powershell script that starts Vegas...

$myVegas=(Start-Process -FilePath "C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 20.0\vegas200.exe" -passthru).ID
if($?) {
Start-Sleep -Seconds 3 
while ( (Get-Process -id $myVegas).MainWindowHandle -ne 0) { Start-Sleep -Seconds 3 }
echo "Vegas has left the building!"
Stop-Process -ID $myVegas
}

Thanks for that!

EDIT... Updated script to end the entire Vegas Process tree... I also lengthened the startup delay before monitoring starts:

$myVegas=(Start-Process -FilePath "C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 20.0\vegas200.exe" -passthru).ID
if($?) {
Start-Sleep -Seconds 10
while ( (Get-Process  -ErrorVariable a -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue -id $myVegas).MainWindowHandle -ne 0) { Start-Sleep -Seconds 3 }
  function Stop-Process-Tree {
      Param([int]$ppid)
      Get-CimInstance Win32_Process | Where-Object { $_.ParentProcessId -eq $ppid } | ForEach-Object { Kill-Tree $_.ProcessId }
      Stop-Process -Id $ppid
  }
Stop-Process-Tree $myVegas
echo "Vegas has left the building!"
}

 

fr0sty wrote on 9/21/2022, 2:25 AM

GUI: Key Commands for Select next/previous Event and simlarly, Event above/below. So one can Keep a PanCrop/FX window open (you can do this with mouse select, but needs Key command). Also Programmable Mouse options.

Would also be useful for color grading at the event level.

Last changed by fr0sty on 9/21/2022, 2:25 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

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bitman wrote on 9/21/2022, 6:05 AM

Make Vegas cheaper each time you renew or get the latest version (like a loyalty dependent scheme- the more versions you have purchased in the past, the bigger the reduction for a new version)

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Ayo wrote on 9/21/2022, 12:39 PM

1] Ability to edit multiple keyframes in one go. (If VEGAS can already do this, how?)

2] Get rid of every instance of the Vista open/save dialog.

3] Use different variables for the import media and open/save project files. I keep having to navigate from my projects folder to where I keep my media, sometimes involving drilling down through several layers of folders.

George-Abihider wrote on 1/13/2023, 9:54 PM

What are the top 3 things you want to see the development team focus on improving first? Keep in mind this is different than new feature requests, this is discussing improvements to what is already there.

1. Ability to save Keyframe animation from...

A. Pan/Crop

B. Picture in Picture.

2. Better (larger, more prominent) display of 'In', 'Out' and 'Duration' time code / time

There seems to a bug - if you 'click and drag' the cursor it will display the above ('In', 'Out' and 'Duration' ).

BUT, after clicking and dragging - highlighting an area with the Yellow 'In' / 'Out' markers - I get great 'In', 'Out' and 'Duration' numbers. If I click anywhere the Yellow markers themselves remain and the cursor position (time code) shows the current position. Then, if I try to adjust one the Yellow 'In' / 'Out' markers by clicking and dragging, I get nothing. Not even the current position time shows.

3. I'll get back to you on the third.

Thanks

ALO wrote on 1/14/2023, 11:11 AM

make it into a "it just works" kind of app.

There are probably a lot of us out there who would be brand ambassadors but feel it's impossible to recommend because it's so unreliable. We all know how often we click that save button, and no amount of "what are your system specs and have you updated your drivers..." can erase that reality.

I would guess truly fixing Vegas would involve rebuilding it from the ground up using a modern programming language & best practices.

Personally, I think Vegas is worth it. It's a testimony to the quality of the Vegas timeline editing experience (vs competitors) that I still put up with it given all the frustrations!

Reyfox wrote on 1/14/2023, 11:14 AM

I am not a part of the "we" you are mentioning. For "me", I find Vegas just as stable as Resolve Studio or anything else I edit with.

I've recommended Vegas, and those that have tried it, switched. No editor is perfect. No editor is 100% reliable.

Even a total re-write, there is no guarantee it will be 100% perfect with the thousands upon thousands of line of coding.

Wiew wrote on 1/14/2023, 11:21 AM

I still keep hoping for the lock on the tracks , works faster ;-)

Also the pan and crop function could be better

and the Title editor ;-)

m3lquixd wrote on 1/14/2023, 2:35 PM

Is this still valid? I have a list of improvements to existing Vegas features. Nothing new, just fixes and improvements.

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vkmast wrote on 1/14/2023, 2:57 PM

@m3lquixd you might want to wait for the next build/update to see if any/some/many of the fixes and improvements you'd suggest will be implemented.

MikeS wrote on 1/15/2023, 1:08 PM

>you might want to wait

Depends how long that wait is! 😉 New update keeps getting teased at the moment ...

Last changed by MikeS on 1/15/2023, 1:09 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

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VEGASDerek wrote on 1/15/2023, 1:42 PM

The new update is indeed coming...we know it has been a long wait. We have been taking our time a bit more with updates to VEGAS Pro 20 to ensure what we release is solid. We had too many problematic updates for VEGAS Pro 19.

rainpyrn wrote on 1/28/2023, 9:50 AM

Less CPU and more GPU pls! (rendering, encoding, playback, plugins etc)

And a decent AI upscale plugin pls. (Coz current AI upscale is basically a pan/crop or zoom tool, not upscale)