Wide Gamut Monitor Workarounds

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ALO schrieb am 16.10.2021 um 19:55 Uhr

That's a good idea. I've used DisplayCal for years and can try it with my wide gamut (not HDR) display.

As a workaround I just switched preview monitors to the sRGB one which works.

It's just occurred to me that if you use this workflow, you are compromising your scopes, because scopes sits after the output fx. Unless there's some way to control the signal routing path, this is potentially a big issue (you can still correct visually, but you can't rely on your scopes for confirmation/backup).

Don't get rid of that sRGB monitor just yet!

Howard-Vigorita schrieb am 16.10.2021 um 20:21 Uhr

I generally do my calibration with an X-Rite i1Studio after having used a Spyder for more than a decade. There are various ways to use it. You can calibrate an i/o device itself (monitor/printer/camera). Or in the graphics driver. Or in Windows. I've gotten away from device calibration except for the printer which needs unique calibrations depending on type of paper. Better quality displays and cameras are really great and stable these days at factory settings so I do my tweaking at the Windows level which is quite good with icm/icc profiles. This also suits my setup which consists of a switched monitor shared with multiple computers which all have different graphics hardware... touching the color balance in my BenQ monitor would affect them all so I don't do that. Also find driver updates often blow away saved driver profiles so doing it in Windows has worked better for me.

In a laptop wired to an Intel igpu for display, you'd be tweaking into the driver with the Intel Graphics Command Center. Which is fine. The x-rite outputs an icc profile and by default pumps it into Windows Color Management which I often access directly via the Control Panel. But if you calibrate by changing color settings in the driver or monitor, you should just be able to save its settings somewhere instead. I see GCC can save its settings as a custom video-type. But portable icc files would be my preference. Luts are an interesting alternative but I'm not sure if xrite makes them... perhaps one of the lut creator tools (Briz?) can convert from one to the other.

I've reset my own laptop to factory default instead of calibrating it. But don't use it for color correction. I use it as my "for the masses" screen test of YouTube material. Do the same with a Samsung 4k tv and bluray player for that type of delivery. I find the greatest difficulty getting dvd material to look equally good in both my calibrated editing system and my tv screen test. Since vp18, YouTube screening has been a breeze for me and I sometimes use a tv to screen that too.

ALO schrieb am 16.10.2021 um 20:51 Uhr

Howard the fundamental problem with wide-gamut displays is Windows explorer/desktop/environment and Vegas do not use the monitor's 3D profile (ie, they are not color managed). They only use the 1D calibration created as the first step of the calibration process by your X-Rite device. To view sRGB data correctly on a wide-gamut device, either a 3D profile or a 3D LUT or a hardware calibration is necessary.

Alternately, as a hack, you can use Intel's Graphics Command Center to desaturate the monitor -- but that's not likely to be accurate.

 

ALO schrieb am 16.10.2021 um 21:44 Uhr

I also see that for Dell users, the Dell Premiere Color app is working again, so you can use that to clamp your wide-gamut display to sRGB (accuracy unknown) ... at least until the next Windows or Intel update breaks it.

Looks like Roger's the smart one here: get a good sRGB display for monitoring.

ALO schrieb am 16.10.2021 um 22:16 Uhr

And here's one more rabbit hole to jump down: a tool which lets you apply a 3DLUT to the Windows environment:

https://hub.displaycal.net/forums/topic/i-made-a-tool-for-applying-3d-luts-to-the-windows-desktop/

This could be the best solution of all...if it works

Howard-Vigorita schrieb am 18.10.2021 um 06:36 Uhr

If all you want to do is calibrate your wide gamit monitor, that's what the bottom of the line Xrite i1Display does for about $170. Note that it's not a 1d-lut 3x3+1 whitepoint matrix device. It uses 118-point color calibration plus greyscale but can only be used to calibrate monitors. I only got the i1Studio because I need to also calibrate a DNP dye-sublimation printer so I can author both the Bluray/DVD for RGB and the jacket for CMYK on the same BenQ monitor.

RogerS schrieb am 18.10.2021 um 06:48 Uhr

If all you want to do is calibrate your wide gamit monitor, that's what the bottom of the line Xrite i1Display does for about $170. Note that it's not a 1d-lut 3x3+1 whitepoint matrix device. It uses 118-point color calibration plus greyscale but can only be used to calibrate monitors. I only got the i1Studio because I need to calibrate a DNP dye-sublimation printer so I can author both the Bluray/DVD for RGB and the jacket for CMYK on the same BenQ monitor.

That won't help you if the software is not color managed too (Vegas). I use the i1Display (Pro) to calibrate and profile using NEC Spectraview.

Zuletzt geändert von RogerS am 19.10.2021, 02:50, insgesamt 1-mal geändert.

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ALO schrieb am 18.10.2021 um 21:48 Uhr

If all you want to do is calibrate your wide gamit monitor, that's what the bottom of the line Xrite i1Display does for about $170.

For those specifically trying to calibrate/profile wide-gamut displays, the Display Pro or Display Plus is probably a much better choice. See:

https://www.argyllcms.com/doc/WideGamutColmters.html

Regardless, Vegas will not use your monitor's profile, because Vegas is not a color-managed app.