I hear you... I stuck with 13 and have been a user since Vegas 3. I was planning on upgrading until I realized they still did not have any GPU preview improvement and nothing in the areas I've been asking for like (A robust native titler, multiple timelines, better media management, color correction tool improvements, quality slow motion, etc.)

That along with how long it took to work out the bugs in 14 and I'm on the fence while looking at other options. I'm glad it's still alive and the team seems passionate but not sure if it's going in the direction that fits my needs. Adobe lost me with the ransomware model and their arrogance. Resolve 14 seems very promising but too buggy right now. I'm even looking at Final Cut X since they seem to have adopted some of the brilliance of Vegas yet have much better performance on 4k video along with other innovative features.

What to do, what to do...

1. Let the rest of us thrash out the issues for the next 8 weeks and come back on October 25th. It will have had one or two updates by then, ironing out obvious bugs and improving performance. Don't upgrade your hardware before then, as we don't yet know what combo of CPU and GPU is going to turn out to be the best.
2. On October 25th, install your free 30-day trial and see how it goes. The only disadvantage is a watermark on your render screen, but by then you'll probably be able to roll back your project to VP14 or earlier format using Version Faker, and render from there if you have to (any pic-in-pic or crop using the new features wouldn't convert back).
3. Grab an upgrade to VP15 Pro Edit for $149 in the Black Friday sale on 24th November (pure conjecture from me but a fair chance that will happen. It did last year).

If Magix has plans to milk us for $250 a head every year then it would seem one would be better off going to Adobe Creative Suite as that annual Vegas upgrade fee pays half of an annual CS license.

I'm missing the part where MAGIX is holding a gun to your head demanding that you upgrade? Because that's what Adobe is doing. You don't upgrade, the software stops working. That's why we call it ransomware. It holds your business for random every year. MAGIX is doing no such thing. If you don't think the upgrade is worth it, then don't upgrade. The choice is yours.

Back when Adobe Creative Suite sold you a permanent license, I use to upgrade every other year. There was never anything that compelling in the annual update to make me want to buy it but usually after 2 years there was enough new stuff to make it worth it. So I upgraded every other year. I own Adobe CS2, CS4, & CS6. Now it's no longer a choice but MAGIX gives you a choice. Take advantage of that.

What to do, what to do...

Obviously for you, there is no "i gotta have it" feature so vote with your wallet. If you think that MAGIX is charging too much for too little then don't upgrade. Eventually the sales team will get the message. That's how capitalism works... you don't have to buy the government cheese. lol ;-)

~jr

FYI, you can get an upgrade to Vegas 15 EDIT for $ 179 from authorized retailers.

The above points are well made. There is far too much negativity and hand-wringing, but that has more to do with internet-anonymous behavior than anything Magix are doing. The bugs will get worked out, and the value proposition for each person can be assessed. No big deal.

And as for Adobe ransomware - that is just a big BAD deal. Better off burning your money.

There is far too much negativity and hand-wringing, but that has more to do with internet-anonymous behavior than anything Magix are doing. The bugs will get worked out, and the value proposition for each person can be assessed. No big deal.

And as for Adobe ransomware - that is just a big BAD deal. Better off burning your money.

Totally agree with you about Adobe but the negativity and hands-wring is in part based upon what Magix is doing. They are issuing yearly updates with upgrade prices far in excess of Sony but they have left old bugs to fester and not introduced enough solid improvements or exceptional new bug-free features to warrant the price increase. It is true as JohnnyRoy states that no-one is forced to upgrade but the way Magix has proceeded has created sour grapes for many long-time users.

18 months is not 12 months/yearly. Upgrade for just VP is just about the same cost as Adobe Photoshop/LR deal on a monthly basis. Which I think is a good deal for both.

If Magix has plans to milk us for $250 a head every year then it would seem one would be better off going to Adobe Creative Suite as that annual Vegas upgrade fee pays half of an annual CS license.

I'm missing the part where MAGIX is holding a gun to your head demanding that you upgrade? Because that's what Adobe is doing. You don't upgrade, the software stops working. That's why we call it ransomware. It holds your business for random every year. MAGIX is doing no such thing. If you don't think the upgrade is worth it, then don't upgrade. The choice is yours.

Back when Adobe Creative Suite sold you a permanent license, I use to upgrade every other year. There was never anything that compelling in the annual update to make me want to buy it but usually after 2 years there was enough new stuff to make it worth it. So I upgraded every other year. I own Adobe CS2, CS4, & CS6. Now it's no longer a choice but MAGIX gives you a choice. Take advantage of that.

What to do, what to do...

Obviously for you, there is no "i gotta have it" feature so vote with your wallet. If you think that MAGIX is charging too much for too little then don't upgrade. Eventually the sales team will get the message. That's how capitalism works... you don't have to buy the government cheese. lol ;-)

Well said and I reason why I am not upgrading. I just wonder what MAGIX thinks is the "got to have" feature that will attract customers to buy an upgrade or a full version.

I was planning on upgrading until I realized they still did not have any GPU preview improvement and nothing in the areas I've been asking for like (A robust native titler, multiple timelines, better media management, color correction tool improvements, quality slow motion, etc.)

QSV offers now a preview improvent, I see that even on my old i7 2600K and I like that. So we have here a GPU preview improvement but maybe based on another Hardware.

If Magix has plans to milk us for $250 a head every year then it would seem one would be better off going to Adobe Creative Suite as that annual Vegas upgrade fee pays half of an annual CS license.

I'm missing the part where MAGIX is holding a gun to your head demanding that you upgrade? Because that's what Adobe is doing. You don't upgrade, the software stops working. That's why we call it ransomware. It holds your business for random every year. MAGIX is doing no such thing. If you don't think the upgrade is worth it, then don't upgrade. The choice is yours.

That is very true - the choice is yours if you upgrade or not. Vegas Pro 13 or Vegas Pro 14 will not stop to work if you decide not to purchase Vegas Pro 15. And a lot of people still uses Vegas Pro 10 or 12 or 13. While there will not be any updates any more, that is still possible.

I was planning on upgrading until I realized they still did not have any GPU preview improvement and nothing in the areas I've been asking for like (A robust native titler, multiple timelines, better media management, color correction tool improvements, quality slow motion, etc.)

QSV offers now a preview improvent, I see that even on my old i7 2600K and I like that. So we have here a GPU preview improvement but maybe based on another Hardware.

If you built a High End Desktop as I have as defined by Intel with an Intel I7-6950X it has no QSV. That is more of a mainstream chip feature.

True. I have by now a 8-core System, a hardware upgrade would be to the 16-core threadripper or the upcoming 18-core Intel. I do not need QSV since I run XAVC I and ProRes - and not Long goop AVC footage.

I upgraded from 14 and see no benefits whatsoever for what I am doing. Actually LOST utility of Mercalli, so overpaid for LESS features. "once bitten...."

Which begs the question: why did you upgrade? The 30 day trial would have told you all that.

Personally, I am waiting for the first couple of new builds.

Which begs the question: why did you upgrade? The 30 day trial would have told you all that.

People do that every year when there's never been an advantage to upgrading BEFORE release of the trial. That's the reason I wait for the trail, I want to make sure I like what I'm buying first.

I upgraded from 14 and see no benefits whatsoever for what I am doing. Actually LOST utility of Mercalli, so overpaid for LESS features. "once bitten...."

Mercalli still works in Vegas 14, right? Do your stabilization in 14 & render to a new file to use in 15 if you want.

You can purchase an upgrade for $99 for Mercalli, that works also in VP 15 if you need Mercalli in VP15.