Accidentally recorded 60i and MXP and Deadline Approaching D:

astrellalunari wrote on 9/12/2018, 1:14 PM

Hello!

Gah, if you could help with this, that'd be great. Using Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 12. I didn't realize that my cameras were recording different... framerates... I think? And I think one of them is interlaced and one progressive, if I'm getting that right? They're both AVCHD, however one is 60i and one is MXP. So does anyone know what to set my project settings to, if there's anything else I can do to the footage, and how to get them to play nicely with each other when exporting to the DVD Architect Widescreen format? Also both footage is reading as upper field first, but I know for certain that the MXP camera recorded progressive. Do I still set my project settings to interpolate? I've got a lot of fast moving dancers on camera and things get blurry. >< Anything I should do with that resample thing everyone talks about? GAH T.T

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j-v wrote on 9/12/2018, 3:33 PM

For the beginning of a possible anwer give us the Media Info of both type of files

astrellalunari wrote on 9/12/2018, 4:03 PM

Got it, thanks!

Here's one (far cam "cam 2")

General
ID                                       : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Owner\Videos\Showcase2018\Camera2\PRIVATE\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00001.MTS
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 1.90 GiB
Duration                                 : 16 min 22 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 16.7 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 18.0 Mb/s
Recorded date                            : 2018-05-20 18:13:42-05:00
Writing application                      : Canon

Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=15
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 16 min 22 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 15.7 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 16.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Interlaced
Scan type, store method                  : Separated fields
Scan order                               : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.253
Stream size                              : 1.80 GiB (94%)

Audio
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 16 min 22 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 256 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -67 ms
Stream size                              : 30.0 MiB (2%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Here's the other (close cam "cam 1")

General
ID                                       : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Owner\Videos\Showcase2018\Camera1\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.MTS
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 463 MiB
Duration                                 : 2 min 45 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 23.5 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 24.0 Mb/s
Recorded date                            : 2018-05-20 18:15:30-05:00
Writing application                      : Canon

Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=15
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 2 min 45 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 22.3 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 22.7 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Interlaced
Scan type, store method                  : Separated fields
Scan order                               : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.359
Stream size                              : 439 MiB (95%)

Audio
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 2 min 45 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 256 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -67 ms
Stream size                              : 5.04 MiB (1%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

j-v wrote on 9/12/2018, 4:23 PM

What I see is that both files are nearly the same, same codec, same resolution, same framerate and both are interlaced TFF.
If your project has most of both files my advice for project settings are this, but if you let the program choose or you use button one on the pic of one of those files you 'll get the same:

astrellalunari wrote on 9/12/2018, 5:08 PM

But I know for a fact that the first camera was recording in MXP? Despite what that says? I also get much better results when I render the thing in progressive. I tried rendering it like you said though, and I'm getting those interlacing horizontal banding lines on my dvd preview. Is that just because I'm looking at it on my computer screen? Will it look better and not be fuzzy in a dvd player?

j-v wrote on 9/12/2018, 5:26 PM

I also get much better results when I render the thing in progressive. I tried rendering it like you said though, and I'm getting those interlacing horizontal banding lines on my dvd preview.

Rendering is totally different from projectsettings.
You were asking for projectsettings not for rendertemplates.
After you have edit your video and your project for export is ready, you have to export it to the goal(s) you have in mind. But that is a next step after you did youre editting in Vegas with the best choosen projectsettings.
Therefore you have to choose for "Make Movie" or for Project /Render as..... and make the choice you want to export to.
Every goal has mostly its own export- or rendersettings.

EricLNZ wrote on 9/12/2018, 6:49 PM

Personally with interlaced material I always use Deinterlace Method "Interpolate Fields". Not "Blend Fields". Try both to see which gives you best results. If you have much movement in your shots you should find interpolation much better.

EricLNZ wrote on 9/12/2018, 6:53 PM

With my Canon camera MXP is the top quality setting. Your media details correspond. Note how the bitrate is higher.

astrellalunari wrote on 9/12/2018, 8:20 PM

Well I exported it with all upper and I'm getting banding on the dvds now, wheras I didn't when I rendered as progressive, despite the fact that I'm pretty sure at least one of those media info files is wrong.. somehow? Because I'm looking at the settings on my camera and they're MXP and 60i, as first stated. And thanks Eric, the interpolate looks better, though I still have to get rid of this banding. And yes, I was doing the best bitrate I could for DVD

Former user wrote on 9/12/2018, 10:10 PM

Are you getting interlaced on the Actual DVD shown on TV, or on your file you are preparing for the DVD. DVD NTSC is normally interlaced.

astrellalunari wrote on 9/12/2018, 10:16 PM

both

EricLNZ wrote on 9/12/2018, 10:46 PM

What exactly is the "banding" you refer to. Usually it indicates a low bitrate. What is the "best bitrate" you used.

Post a screenshot from your pc screen of the banding so we can see.

Lastly your cameras shot 1920x1080 with square pixels. You are downgrading to NTSC widescreen which is 720x480 with stretched pixels. The quality will be poor compared to your original. That is unavoidable. If you want to retain the original quality you'll need to burn to a Blu-ray disc.