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Rednroll wrote on 8/3/2019, 9:26 AM

I really dislike all these different versions of Vegas. Vegas "Edit", Vegas "Movie Studio", Vegas "Pro", now Vegas "Post". Where a lot of the differences between them just seem to add bundled software included with them...which if history tells us anything, eventually become incompatible with the updated releases. You can have Vegas "Post". Just another addition to add to the already confusing line-up of "Vegas" offerings.

Kinvermark wrote on 8/3/2019, 9:29 AM

I agree with you regarding the various bundles of Vegas Pro, but I think (guess?) Vegas Post is actually a very different animal.

Rednroll wrote on 8/3/2019, 9:57 AM

Yep, different animal. Seems to add 2 more check boxes of features over Vegas Pro which has been developed with the help of a 3rd party developer.

 

Kinvermark wrote on 8/3/2019, 10:07 AM

Now, now - no need to get sarcastic :) If you do a bit more digging I think you will find Vegas Post is something more akin to "Hitfilm in Vegas clothing" which makes it a composting/mograph application more then an NLE.

Of course, this is all speculation until the thing is actually released, so perhaps reserve judgement until then.

Rednroll wrote on 8/3/2019, 10:16 AM

Yep, I've watched the demo video. It adds features which many have been requesting by implementing features with the assistance of Hitfilm, so instead of purchasing Hitfilm separately you can get what on the surface looks like a tighter integration into Vegas with those same features while allowing Magix to raise the price $400....so they can pay Hitfilm the licensing fee for their feature set now built into Vegas.

Why couldn't this happen within Vegas Pro? Because they wouldn't be able to raise the price to pay Hitfilm for their licensing fee for those features, so create another version of Vegas and call it Vegas "Post" instead. All sales and marketing equivalent of the 3 card monte.

Kinvermark wrote on 8/3/2019, 10:22 AM

So what. You don't expect to get it for free, do you? Either they pay Hitfilm or they pay their own developers to do the work - this way we may get something sooner. Anyway, I will reserve judgement until a get my hands on the trial version. Good be good; could be "meh."

Rednroll wrote on 8/3/2019, 10:25 AM

So what. You don't expect to get it for free, do you? Either they pay Hitfilm or they pay their own developers to do the work - this way we may get something sooner. Anyway, I will reserve judgement until a get my hands on the trial version. Good be good; could be "meh."

Yeah, but you realize with that type of "partnership" relationship, if it doesn't work out, Hitfilm will have the ability to back out of future releases and then disappears Vegas "Post" features you've grown accustom to using.

I have some great BorixFX features in past versions of Vegas which are no longer included I'll sell you. ;)

You just need to ask the simple question "Why weren't these features included in Vegas Pro?" and the answer to the Hitfilm exit plan becomes pretty obvious.

Kinvermark wrote on 8/3/2019, 10:30 AM

I think that is a totally different commercial marketing arrangement. I never liked it, so always stuck with Vegas Pro EDIT version and purchased my plug-ins separately.

I cannot imagine a Vegas branded product with integrated effects that would "disappear" with a version change. That doesn't make sense to me.

Rednroll wrote on 8/3/2019, 10:39 AM

What doesn't make sense to me is that you already have a "Pro" version of the product which is supposed to be intended for Pro user needs and then you release a version which includes features intended for "Pro" users.

Kinvermark wrote on 8/3/2019, 10:44 AM

In my view it's a bit like Premiere Pro and After Effects. But that may be totally wrong. If it's just a kind of bundle with a bit of cosmetic integration then I am unlikely to buy it. I would rather deal directly with Hitfilm. However, if it's well integrated technically, then it has value to me.

Rednroll wrote on 8/3/2019, 10:54 AM

I totally agree. We'll need to revisit this discussion in the future.

Here's what I'm currently predicting.

1. Optimistic view: This is the early stages of where Magix is in discussions of potentially acquiring Hitfilm under their umbrella of software. Where in the future, Vegas Post disappears and those features become a part of future Vegas Pro releases.

2. Pessimistic view: Trial run for Hitfilm to see if this partnership of adding their features into Vegas can generate enough additional revenue to make it worth continuing the relationship of co-development, where they can evaluate further to decide to keep up support or not for future versions of Vegas. If not worth their investment, Vegas Post and those features get discontinued.

In either case, most likely scenario is that Vegas "Post" eventually disappears.

lan-mLMC wrote on 8/3/2019, 10:55 AM

In my view it's a bit like Premiere Pro and After Effects. But that may be totally wrong. If it's just a kind of bundle with a bit of cosmetic integration then I am unlikely to buy it. I would rather deal directly with Hitfilm. However, if it's well integrated technically, then it has value to me.

"well integrated technically"? Just like PR+AE's dynamic link?

Kinvermark wrote on 8/3/2019, 11:14 AM

Maybe, but hopefully better. (It's been a long time since I used PP and AE ( cs6) so I am not aware if this feature has changed.)

IIRC, Vegas can already have a Hitfilm project file on its timeline. That's like dynamic link as I know it. I would prefer something tighter, where you don't need to change applications. We'll see. Fun to speculate for next few days :)

 

Kinvermark wrote on 8/3/2019, 11:16 AM

@Rednroll

+1. I can see the logic in that analysis.

JN_ wrote on 8/3/2019, 11:50 AM

What doesn't make sense to me is that you already have a "Pro" version of the product which is supposed to be intended for Pro user needs and then you release a version which includes features intended for "Pro" users.

+1 Rednoll

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10, has latest updates ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

fr0sty wrote on 8/3/2019, 1:04 PM

Vegas Post is a bundle, not a new version of Vegas. It includes Vegas Image (photo editing app) and Vegas Effects, which is the Ignite Hitfilm stuff we've been hearing about, but licensed directly to Vegas. Why not include it as part of Vegas Pro? Why doesn't Adobe just give away After Effects? As for Vegas' licensing, I highly doubt that they would go through the trouble of investing this money into the project only to have Ignite pull the rug out from beneath their feet, I imagine any rights they've secured are theirs to do what they want with. The Vegas team might have to take over development, but that's the worst I could see happening.

As for integration, I could see similar to After Effects where you have an option to "edit in Vegas Effects" in some menu. Why not all in the same app? A post production app needs a different toolset than the Vegas timeline offers, and there may not be room in Vegas' UI to accommodate it all. As long as I can roundtrip at the click of a button, I'm fine with that.

As for HF vs AE, one thing I like about HF is it comes with many plugins that cost a fortune on AE. For instance, trapcode form is a $200 AE particle generation/image mapping plugin, that has an equivalent that comes free with Hitfilm. There are some areas hitfilm is better than AE.

Kinvermark wrote on 8/3/2019, 1:59 PM

@fr0sty

Ok, now you have me totally confused. :)

FxHome's Ignite Pro is (was?) plugin fx bundle for various NLE's. Hitfilm Pro was thier main compositor with its own layered timeline interface. The picture posted on this forum of "Vegas Effects", has a layered timeline interface like Hitfilm Pro. So, doesn't that mean Vegas Effects is a port (?) of Hitfilm Pro, not a bundle of Ignite Pro plugins?

 

fr0sty wrote on 8/3/2019, 2:05 PM

Yes, you are right, I'm getting the two confused. I would guess a port of Hitfilm Pro.

Kinvermark wrote on 8/3/2019, 2:27 PM

Ok, got it. Going to interesting to see how this all works. I refer everyone to the Facebook video showing how the nested timelines work. Ostensibly it's similar to what we already have, but there are some important small differences: one, a button to easily switch to a nested project without opening a new instance of Vegas, and two, immediate updating of the nested project in the master timeline. If Vegas Effects works similarly then that would be perfect for me.

karma17 wrote on 8/5/2019, 5:32 AM

Actually, I think this thread answers my questions on what Vegas Post will be. From the screen shot, it looks like Hit Film Pro's compositing program but with the Vegas Effects name on it. I'm guessing that this would be ideal for someone who doesn't have HF, but if you do, you'd just render out your FX in HF and just import them into Vegas. Just based on what I see, I hope these are not bundled and you can purchase these as individual programs if you want. Otherwise, it doesn't seem like it makes much difference for people who already own HF and Vegas.

fr0sty wrote on 8/5/2019, 5:40 AM

Likely tighter native integration with Vegas, it'll be easier to swap back and forth between the two.