As developer myself I completely understand their reasons.

Sir or Madam ex-developer,

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(is that too hard to understand?,

I'm not "ex". This is my job for the last 20+ years (btw, I'm not working for Magix).

This is good example that sometimes one person do not understand what another person said. Even with very simple statements.

Anyway, I tried to explain you that doing what you asking sometimes require additional job from developers, especially for big and complicated programs like VP!

If they start to use some DX12 stuff, for example and compile the program, you will not be able to run it. It is hard locked in your terms.

Anyway, I tried to explain you that doing what you asking sometimes require additional job from developers, especially for big and complicated programs like VP!

 

Sorry about the misunderstanding...but I am not 'asking' for anything except ADVICE, that's all I'm "asking for."

The advice I'm asking for is for people to let me know their actual experience on Win 10 vs Win 7, That is it.

If the program development "locks me out" as some sort of unavoidable consequence, in the compiling, etc, that is one thing. Vegas is talking about "actively" locking out, not passively, or inavoidably.

Thanks for responding.

 

@fred-w Vegas is not talking about "actively" locking out... but we can not solve known problems with Windows 7 and old graphics card drivers. We need to work with Microsoft, Intel, NVIDIA and AMD but they have also stopped support. For this reason, there are minimum requirements and everyone who lies below must live with known errors and crashes. We are not able to fix them. Sorry.

I do understand, thanks for taking the time to chime in.....and...
Glad to hear that.

To the extent that it has been discussed prior, in this thread, "in theory" (not necessarily a "right now" plan) it was about an eventual "active" lock. Look at the discussion prior.

It was not I that brought up that idea. (of a lock out, active or passive).

I am happy to accept the risks/non support for right now. We do understand development for multiple OS, at a certain point, is impractical.

Thanks again.

 

Is there a particular reason you're asking?

 

Yes, I am running on Win 7, I "upgraded" about two years ago to Win 10, was horrified by the experience, (so I went back to 7), especially the "lock down" of user accessible tweaks and the intrusive, data mining aspects, the clunkiness of the default, phone like, interface (I do understand that at least some of the aforementioned you are able to defeat, work around, reconfigure, etc, and BTW, how hard is that to accomplish and what about the intrusive nature of Win 10, can that be pummeled into submission?) aorrect to point that out, but I certainly have already understood ALL of that, that is why I asked for zero "lectures" of the type already alluded to, and I smelled that coming from a mile away because of certain "personality" tendencies.

So you tried Windows 10 once and gave up based on your initial reaction? Thanks for confirming. That's exactly what I had described earlier was the likely case. I'm just as comfortable working on my Win10 machines as my Win 7 machines, it took me a few google searches and reading information to configure them to look, feel, the same. It wasn't difficult, it took some time of educating myself on how to accomplish it.

You remind me of one of my best friends. He refuses to get a "smart phone" and continues to use his flip phone. He's the only one who doesn't respond to text messages, share pics, etc. I tried to explain to him that if his phone is connected to a cellular network connection, then the "privacy" he thinks he has is nothing more than a fallacy he has convinced himself of based on nothing more than his misunderstandings of how the technology actually works. It seems like you have a very similar fallacy working on a Windows 7 PC. If you're concerned about potential intrusion, then there's only one true way to ensure against it and that's by disconnecting your PC from the internet. It's that simple. No pipe present between your PC and the network to transmit data, then no way to transmit any data. Anything else is just a false set of security you convinced yourself of based on nothing more than speculations. Some seem to think wearing a tin foil hat seems to help as well. The fact that you're posting on a forum likely on your Win7 PC where that forum is hosted on a server over the internet shows me the privacy/intrusive concerns you have are nothing more than made up fallacies that you some how convinced yourself of isn't the case. You don't know what your Win7 PC is and isn't sending over that established network connection and that was made pretty clear when you asked how Magix knew that only 10% of their userbase still used VP on the Win7 OS without ever asking you.

Well, you've mis-characterized me, tremendously so. my friend. I've gone through ALL the various matriculations of Windows, before that Atari, some Mac work....I'm hardly a luddite.. I build my own machines and network, and have for decades. I've got an Iphone. I'm not a techy, as such, but c'mon....

I balance the amount of time investment (which you mention, thank you) to be able to make that work, (New OS) and frankly, I've not had that time luxury, and, as I've said, I seem to be running as well (Vegas/Adobe/Sampltude/Resolve) or better than most. And I'm running on two machines with other software involved. I want to know, IF I decide to invest probably a couple of days fudging this, what would the payoff be..

BTW, just a couple years ago, you could not even run Resolve without a Black magic card, at least external monitor, and I have two of those cards as well as other GPU on my main machine....ALL of these have to be considered.

When one is running a production environment, with various hardware interfaces, video and audio, this is not an inconsequential decision. The "two days" I mention can still not be the end of it, there are often "gotchas" ahead that you hadn't foreseen/planned on.....that is my experience over many years. Yes, eventually one upgrades, it is inevitable.

The tendency in the world of tech towards "invasive" behavior is undeniable. Can that be mitigated/tamed, I would think so. Does it happen in Win 7 world, of course. I'm talking about "progressively worse"..... That's not true?? I'm information gathering. You're bashing people because they'd want to make an informed decision, based on input from people like yourself???? Really... I think that says more about you than me.

I recently downloaded and installed Hitfilm Express, the first thing one sees upon opening the program is their website. That sort of thing didn't happen even a few years ago.

I used to keep at least one machine off the internet....I now use regular "purgings" with clean up programs, If it's not one thing it's another. YMMV.

The tendency in the world of tech towards "invasive" behavior is undeniable. Can that be mitigated/tamed, I would think so. Does it happen in Win 7 world, of course. I'm talking about "progressively worse"..... That's not true?? I'm information gathering. You're bashing people because they'd want to make an informed decision, based on input from people like yourself???? Really... I think that says more about you than me.

I don't know is it getting progressively worse or are you just finally becoming aware that it has been going on for many years? You seem to be the one that has assumed that it has been getting progressively more invasive. Do you have any quantifiable data to show it is progressively worse or is everything based off of your assumptions as I stated? Provide me some quantifiable data that shows Windows 10 is now more intrusive than Windows 7 and in what ways to support your claims.

Until you can provide quantifiable data, you are being nothing more than a conspiracy theorist, so enjoy wearing the tin foil hat.