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videoITguy wrote on 7/22/2014, 3:11 PM
You may have more issues with hardware than you immediately realize. This would be a heads up for you if you plan on installing and running both VegasPro and Edius on the same disk partition and platform.

As for VegasPro and GPU it is what it is. Turn your GPU off.

VegasPro can render with installed codecs from Edius and its manufacturer. Hence that can become a digital intermediate between the apps. How well this will all work for you is a very good question - your mileage will well frankly vary.

Edius forum on dvinfo.net will be of some help.
John Lewis wrote on 7/22/2014, 3:43 PM
I run Edius,Vegas Pro 12 (no crashes) and Adobe Production premium on the same SSD and HD/ I get no Vegas crashes or the other 2 either
Why dont you edit it in Edius anyway , you would still have to export a file from Vegas so i cant quite see any benefit
Marc S wrote on 7/22/2014, 3:44 PM
"As for VegasPro and GPU it is what it is. Turn your GPU off." This solution works fine on small projects but when you have 20+ hours of multicam material that needs color correction and rendering CPU only is not feasible.

What I hoping is that Edius can open a Vegas project and use the two codecs in my project XDCAM and XAVCS as is without having to trancode and just perform the rendering.

I suspect that some of the issues may be that Vegas is not 100% reliable with 4k XAVCS. I'm mixing it with 1080p EXcam in a 1080p project. I'm running a NVidia 570 card with 296.10 drivers.
Marc S wrote on 7/22/2014, 3:47 PM
"Why dont you edit it in Edius anyway?"

A solution I'm considering for long projects. I have not learned or bought it yet so I'm exploring the possilbities.

My original question: Is anyone out there importing projects from Vegas into Edius like you would import a project into Premiere using the exporting feature in Vegas? Is this possible?
diverG wrote on 7/22/2014, 3:54 PM
Surely if you have your edited files on the timeline within vegas you will need to render to a file compatible with edius.
Cannot quite see why you need edius. If you have edius why not simply edit in edius

Have I missed something?

Have Edius & VP12; both are excellent NLE's but Vegas comes with DVDA. which is more versatile than the tool within Edius. There is no problem rendering files wit edius for producing BD or DVD's with DVDA.

Edit: You can download a 1month trial of Edius7(64 bit) or the earlier 6v5(32bit) from the GV site.

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Marc S wrote on 7/22/2014, 4:11 PM
"Have I missed something?"

Yes, I'm must have not been clear enough with my question.

In Sony Vegas there is an export function where you can export a project file to Premiere, After Effects, Avid etc. This allows you to open basic Vegas projects in those programs without having to render first. Is uses your original files and places them on the Premiere timeline as they were in Vegas. Basic cuts and transitions are supported. This allows you to start a project in Vegas and finish in Premiere for example.

My question is: Is this possible to do with Edius? Can I do my basic cutting in Vegas and then export to a compatible format and open the project in Edius? I already have confirmed that Edius supports the codecs I'm using (XAVCS and XDCAM).

Thanks.
videoITguy wrote on 7/22/2014, 4:22 PM
marc-s - answer to your proposed workflow for project export is NO go. As I and others already indicate render to an Edius codec is your ONLY solution.
Recall XAVC-S is a Sony invention - best left inside the Sony render system.
DavidMcKnight wrote on 7/22/2014, 4:37 PM
I would gently suggest that whatever in your hardware is causing you problems with Vegas might likely cause you the same or worse problems in Edius.

You will find fanboys of all NLEs who say there is never ever ever a problem, and you will find reasonable users of all NLEs who will be more truthful with you.

Certainly, download and try their free trial, but don't assume that it's any more stable than Vegas. Especially V12 and even moreso 13, which is regarded by most here as being the most stable in years.
Marc S wrote on 7/22/2014, 4:42 PM
Ok, so I guess you're saying it's not possible to import a project, thanks.

As far as codecs this is from the Edius webpage:

Support for the latest file formats (Sony XAVC/XVAC S, Panasonic AVC-Ultra, and Canon 1D C M-JPEG)
Marc S wrote on 7/22/2014, 4:46 PM
"I would gently suggest that whatever in your hardware is causing you problems with Vegas might likely cause you the same or worse problems in Edius."

Possibly but I have no issues rendering in Premiere or After Effects. Vegas on the other hand is finicky with the GPU on. Sometimes it's fine, other times it's not. I also notice the Vegas render quality is not as good compared to CPU only. There is a very subtle strobe effect with GPU rendering in Vegas.

I should also add that Adobe CS6 does not support XAVCS. Only the Cloud does but that's another subject.

DavidMcKnight wrote on 7/22/2014, 5:10 PM
Sorry, I skimmed over the GPU part.

Maybe we need another 200 threads on "the best video card" for render quality, ugh.

What are you ultimately rendering to where you see the strobing? We've just started fully using GPU rendering with an AMD card. Most of our renders are MainConcept mp4 or mpeg2 for DVD.
Marc S wrote on 7/22/2014, 5:14 PM
It's a very subtle strobe effect and acceptable in most cases. There was an earlier thread where others confirmed the same thing that CPU quality is slightly better. My main issue with GPU rendering in Vegas is that it's just not 100% reliable and I don't always have the time to check over a finished product looking for problems.
john_dennis wrote on 7/22/2014, 5:42 PM
"I'm wondering if it's possible to export a simple edited Vegas project for rendering in Edius?"

Have you considered frameserving from Vegas to a signpost file, just using Edius as the renderer?

http://www.debugmode.com/frameserver/

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farss wrote on 7/22/2014, 5:51 PM
I've not tested this in years but you [I]should[/I] be able to export from Vegas a cuts only EDL and import that into any NLE.

As others have said though why you'd bother is a good question. Any NLE is going to be much the same when it comes to just cutting.

Bob.
Marc S wrote on 7/22/2014, 6:31 PM
I'm very experienced with Vegas and it's multi-cam workflow so I'd prefer to cut in Vegas. My only problem with Vegas is the render stage. I'll have to download the Edius trial and test out the Vegas export option since no one seems to be using this workflow. Thanks for the replies.
diverG wrote on 7/23/2014, 6:49 AM
Just in case a 1 month trial is too short. Clone your system disc before installing.
If you need to use the clone image use DiskPart ->'clean' before restoring the image.

It's hard work trailing software if you have a heavy workload and deadlines to meet.

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Sys 2 Gig Z170-HD3, i7 6700K @ 3.8Ghz 16gb ram, 250gb SSD, 2x2Tb, hdd GTX 750ti, BMIP4k video out. (PS 650W) Vegas 18 plus Edius 8WG DVResolve18 Studio Win 10 Pro (22H2) Bld 19045.2311

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DavidMcKnight wrote on 7/23/2014, 9:43 AM
Marc, what render templates and settings are you using where you see the questionable quality with GPU? From searching it appears that it can happen in lower bitrates / web files. I'm asking partially from a selfish perspective, I want to compare on our own rigs here where we've just started using GPU extensively.
Marc S wrote on 7/23/2014, 2:16 PM
I'm usually rendering to XDCAM 1080p these days since I'm shooting with an EX1 and an AX100. I've noticed that CPU rendered footage looks slightly smoother to my eye so I use it on shorter important projects.
videoITguy wrote on 7/23/2014, 2:41 PM
Marc_S - you have been all over the map. Short form projects render to XDCAM ? Why? where does it go? YES, CPU is better
Long form projects - you want to render some other output? Why? Where does it go?
Why bother with inferior problematic GPU?

Repeat post here:
Subject: RE: Anyone exporting Vegas to Edius?
Reply by: videoITguy
Date: 7/22/2014 1:11:46 PM

You may have more issues with hardware than you immediately realize. This would be a heads up for you if you plan on installing and running both VegasPro and Edius on the same disk partition and platform.

As for VegasPro and GPU it is what it is. Turn your GPU off.

VegasPro can render with installed codecs from Edius (these are high-quality renders- perfect for interchange . Hence that can become a digital intermediate between the apps. How well this will all work for you is a very good question - your mileage will well frankly vary.

Edius forum on dvinfo.net will be of some help.

John Lewis wrote on 7/23/2014, 3:43 PM
Edius has a large Forum which you can access
Marc S wrote on 7/23/2014, 4:54 PM
"Marc_S - you have been all over the map..."

My last comment was in response to David asking me what format I render to in Vegas. As I stated earlier in the thread I do turn off GPU for projects that are short enough that they don't take too long to render. The reason I'm looking at Edius is a faster rendering solution with higher quality on long-form projects.

The reason I currently master to XDCAM is because I like to convert to DVD and H264 using the Adobe media encoder. Adobe does a much better job scaling than Vegas and many codecs have black level issues when switching between Vegas and Adobe. XDCAM does not have this problem.

The purpose of this thread was a simple question about opening a Vegas project in Edius. Thanks everyone for trying to help. I'll take it from here and report back if I find a workflow with Edius that works for me.