From what I have read and seen, now days a problem is some PC people do not know what the Mac has and some Mac people do not know what the PC has.

For me and in the past it was the arrogance of many Mac people. They ask if I have a PC or a Mac. I tell them I have a PC and that I built it myself. The Mac people then treat me as if I was lower than dirt.

They will never convince people to go from a PC to a Mac by treating them as if they were lower than dirt! And doing so in an extremely arrogant way!

When you get right down to it, Mac people hurt Mac sales more than anything else.

Another problem was, many times I would buy hardware that requires software support. Time and time again, certain important key features were available only on a PC and not the Mac. That did not encourage me to want a Mac.

Thinking differently is not necessarily thinking better. In some cases, it can be much worse.

Also, there is a ton of misinformation about who actually innovated what. Everyone has an opinion on what that consists of so I will leave that subject alone.

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i've used both, and they both did the job i used them for. i prefer pc simply because i get a lot more bang for my $, and the ability to upgrade how and when i see fit. on the other hand the build quality (of the older macs that i know) was very good indeed.

but my experiences with macophiles has been similar to those recounted elsewhere. if you've never looked over the garden wall.....

I have to agree with usher. I use both and simply see computers as tools. It's so easy to get wrapped up in the one platform is better than another syndrome, but that only limits our ability to deliver. I enjoy my Macbook Pro, but I also have three i7 PC's that are invaluable. The new iMac's are rather impressive for an all-in-one machine, but I would be a bit uneasy about it being my only production machine. I bought the Macbook Pro because I needed a laptop that I could have both Windows and the Mac OS on one machine. I have clients that need me to work with both. It was a great solution for me.

I do hope that Sony either ports Vegas as a cross-platform solution, or really fills out Catalyst. I can't wait to see what happens.

Best Regards,

Troy

[I]For me and in the past it was the arrogance of many Mac people.[/I]

Exactly!

Macs are for people who hate computers, PCs are for those who love them. :-)

> "Macs are for people who hate computers, PCs are for those who love them. :-)"

I would state it slightly differently:

Macs are for people who hate to tinker with computers, PC's are for people who love to tinker with computers.

That's the real difference. PC people hate Macs because it doesn't give them enough choice. Mac people love Macs because it doesn't require them to have to choose. ;-)

~jr

Really, it has never been a problem as to the platform, but one of the platform user.

I have used all sorts of platforms and tools that would provide me with the means of getting what I want done.

I started my digital media life back in the 80's on an Amiga 500 with Deluxe Music Construction Set. It allowed me to record my digital piano via MIDI to a score. At that time that is all I was looking to achieve.

As time went on, I moved to an Atari 1040ST in the early 90's because it had built in MIDI ports and because of this, had more software (i.e tools) options. I would run Master Tracks Pro 32 and Cubase for complete MIDI sequencing (which at the time was as complete as it could be). I then moved to SMPTE Tracks Pr with a SMPTE sync device so I could record my audio to a four track and sync it with my Atari MIDI tracks. Brilliant!

I then moved on to a Mac Plus running Opcode for MIDI. Mid 90's saw the explosion of Windows based PCs, as they moved into the living rooms around the globe. This explosion saw a lot of my software titles (again, tools) move to the Windows platform, so I build a PC and ran with some of these applications (Cubase 3.0 score mostly). I always had a Mac on the sidelines (mainly with Opcode for SMPTE sync to a Tascam four track). When Steinberg started adding more features to the VST line on the Mac platform than the PC version I started using my ole Mac more. Around the end of the 90's I had a PC and Mac completely synced together, using both at the same time (Mac was running VST 5 with MOTU hardware for audio and my PC would be also running VST 5 (synced via MTC) for virtual instruments.

I still have both, and use both equally. All the talk of Vegas ending it's life has me thinking as to what my next setup will be. But whatever it is, it will be based on what works for the job I need it to do. Not because one platform is better than the other.

So to get to my point, the arguments as to which platform is better derives typically from people feeling the need to defend their decision as to which platform they have chosen. Macs have pros and cons, PC (Windows) have pros and cons, Vegas has pros and cons, FCP X has pros and cons, Pro Tools has .... ok you get the point. As said by another person here earlier, they are tools. You use the tool that best suites your needs.

And with that all said..... it is a sad fact that a lot of people that do choose Mac, or Apple in general, do so for the 'fashion factor', but does not make ALL Mac/Apple users fan boys.

Ok rant out :-)

[I]PC people hate Macs because it doesn't give them enough choice. Mac people love Macs because it doesn't require them to have to choose. ;-)[/I]

PC people hate Macs because it doesn't give them enough choice. Mac people love Macs because it doesn't require them to have to think. ;-)

That is not always a bad thing, GeeBax... but boasting out loud that their roller skate is so great, like it is a Ferrari 488 is boarderline insane. And other people are sick of listening to it.
It IS a fine tool that works, shutup about it already. The tools I use are way better but I dont waste breath bragging about it to anyone who will listen. :)

> "Mac people love Macs because it doesn't require them to have to think. ;-)"

GeeBax, I'll accept that! Thinking is hard. The older I get, the less I want to have to think. I guess that's why I love my Mac. ;-) lol

~jr

My mom has a Mac. It's absolutely confounding to me. I can't do anything on it. I know many people love them but everything about it is counter intuitive for me. To each his/her own. I don't think I think like that. Maybe because I started with DOS.

In addition I could never afford one anyway. I build my systems and get a much more powerful rig for half the price of a pre-assembled Mac. With the ability to upgrade without starting over. Generally I just pull the motherboard and CPU (sometimes memory) for an upgrade to the latest and greatest.

As for tinkering I see most Mac people doing a lot more tinkering, ie fighting to get a printer working with the latest version of the OS, or wifi issues,... than I do. I build my rig, set it up in about a day and then that's it for a few years until the next upgrade, which usually costs about $400 to move to Intel's newest. The monitor, power supply, SSD's, mechanical drives, BD drive, case, etc.. all stay, which is how I like it because each component was selected by ME for the attributes I am looking for. Right off the bat not being able to select my own display, the one that looks best to my eyes is a deal breaker.

That being said I love competition so LONG LIVE THE MAC AND ALL WHO USE THEM!!!

I am with Hulk.

That being said I love competition so LONG LIVE THE MAC AND ALL WHO USE THEM!!!

And that is the best reason for having them around.

"Mac people love Macs because it doesn't require them to have to think."
I've said this several times, but just got put in my place.
A client sent me home yesterday with an iMac to dump footage from...
I had to Google how to turn it on. Couldn't find the power switch. :-P

>> Macs are for people who hate computers, PCs are for those who love them.

I grew up with Unix, SunOS and Solaris were my friends in school. I used Minix and Linux from well before even the most ardent geeks had ever heard about them. I have been using Windows PCs all the way, but I put as many Unix-like tools on them as I can when I get them. At work I am considered a little bit of a Microsoft fan since, IMnsHO, Microsoft makes the best development tools on this planet.

Recently I got a MacBook Pro since I need to do some mobile development, and for iOS that means having a Mac. Haven't used Macs much since the early 1990s.

Sorry to say this GeeBax, but you are, objectively, measurably, quantifiably wrong. Macs are for people who love computers. Macs are for the Uber-geeks. Macs are Linux/Minix/Solaris boxes with actual usable software. And Unix beneath. I can run X apps on my MacBook Pro.

Now Visual Studio Code is on Apple. All of the wonderful .NET stuff is going open-source and multi-platform (both Linux and OS X).

I am a geek. I am a tinkerer. I work with computers because I love it. I love my new MacBook. It has flaws, that moronic keyboard layout for one, but I still love it. It has personality. It has uber-geek flavor galore. It has class too, and it runs all the software I need (Adobe for example).

Windows PCs is for people who are business-oriented lazy and scared. Apple is for geeks, and I am assure you that the reason Mac sales are up is because uber-geeks are buying them in droves. For geeks, Apple is the bomb right now. Just have to ignore their attempts at tying you up.

I'm converting my NLE to FCPX, but keeping Vegas - at least until I have time to master FCPX.

What many don't realize is the level of performance that can be achieved with FCPX on older machines. I'm using a dual quad core 2008 MacPro with a few upgrades (USB 3.0 card, SSD, and a 7950 card) and it is a pleasure.

Final Cut code is so well written compared to other NLEs and I constantly discover new ways of how professional it is like being optimized for dual graphics cards or the quality of the titler for example.

>>>>Windows PCs is for people who are business-oriented lazy and scared. Apple is for geeks, and I am assure you that the reason Mac sales are up is because uber-geeks are buying them in droves. For geeks, Apple is the bomb right now. Just have to ignore their attempts at tying you up.<<<<

Is this some alternate reality you just came from?

The only people I have ever known to switch from macs to Windows were geeks or similar, mostly 3D artists and/or game developers because most of that is $hit on Macs.

Windows is just as simple to use as any OS, in fact who even notices it's there. You do your work in some program and no matter what there are always a whole bunch of those which simply do not work on OSX.

Samplitude, 3DS Max, Softimage, Vegas, Fusion, Flash would be the stuff I depend on.

Other than Flash none of those work on Macs. Fusion seems to be headed their way with version 8, but will probably be crap just like Sound Forge for Mac was.

Some of those which are available for OSX still work better on Windows ( Maya for example ).

There is absolutely no practical reason to use a Mac. It's mostly cosmetic and superficial stuff that draws people to Macs.

Before saying anything else, I did a Google search to see what the latest 4k iMac is all about.

The number one thing that has always concerned me about an iMac is that it is an all-in-one computer. I really do not like this because if the monitor part goes down then the entire thing goes down and is not usable. One would suffer down time waiting for it to be serviced. And then how much is that going to cost once the warranty runs out?

If one has a desk top Mac then one can simply substitute another monitor and get back to work while waiting for the defective monitor to be serviced.

Also, from the best I can see on the iMac, it looks like one could easily end-up having a mess of wires connected in back or wherever the ports are for external devices.

And if one wants to use multiple monitors then one must get an adapter (more money) to use them. There are no connections built-in for an external monitor.

The combination of monitor and computer in one looks like a lot of heat problems could happen and that is not good.

So, if I wanted a Mac, I would definitely not get an iMac! It would have to be a desktop design. But then, when it is time to upgrade to the latest Mac technology, I would have to buy a whole new system. I would not be able to keep the bulk of my hardware and just upgrade the system myself.

That could get extremely expensive to having to keep buying a whole new system to upgrade instead of just a few parts of the system.

When I look at the long term picture, a Mac is most definitely NOT the computer that meets my needs.

Now, if I err on anything I said then would those who really know Macs, without arrogance and/or contention please correct me?

@Vidmus

iMac's do have connections for external monitors. It's the Thunderbolt connector or mini display port, even my old mid 2010 iMac has one.

Heat is the biggest issue with the iMac's and as for the new Mac Pro, that is as bad as an iMac because Apple has moved away from the conventional case and component design, all is proprietary or mobile/laptop components.

I did however manage to upgrade my iMac from an i3 to an i7, add 16GB an SSD and a HDD. Took me about as long as on a conventional PC but you need special tools, good instructions and it's not for the faint hearted. I am glad I did it as it was time to de-dust the whole unit and it's working fine now. However, upgrading the GPU is as good as impossible. Also the new iMac's don't have a build in DVD combo drive anymore, all will be external and yes, you will end up with a mess of cables.

"Windows PCs is for people who are business-oriented lazy and scared. Apple is for geeks..."

must be trolling. or another BLINDED MacINTOSH user drinking the grape koolaid...

the give away is this: "It has CLASS" what? Class as defined how? A white shell??? hahahaha
more bragging about its specific abilities, where as for SOME REASON they still only have about 5% of the world's market share. All these decades and only 5%? Yeah.... GREAT system.

I've NEVER witnessed ANYONE the uses a MAcintosh being a "geek", you would be the first.

Five percent of market share proves your point? OK then, check out the market share for Sony Vegas as the NLE of choice in Hollywood. And while you're at it, check out the market share for macs versus windows machines for professional video and sound editors and graphic artists.

Macs are for artists.

Funny how quickly everything devolves into the predictable "What I have is great, what you have sucks!"

I've never been a raging fanboy or hater of ANY software/hardware. Maybe because I'm a grown man.

yeah, well my amiga 200 wipes the floor with all this modern c*ap....