I am not sure how posting a question is considered be a troll. If someone reads it as a rant that would be something out of my control. The fact is that Sony sells and markets Vegas though its consumer division and not the pro A/V division. Catalyst is sold through their pro side of the company and may make Catalyst the product of Sony;s future. If Sony wants Vegas to continue to be a viable program it needs to be competitive with Premiere, FCPX and Resolve. The best way that I can think of keeping it viable is to convince Sony to keep Vegas marketed with their pro line of cameras--and not be replaced by Catalyst. My understanding is that marketing people from Sony do read these threads. My post was to gauge the feelings about the current status of Vegas--not to rant.

"There has not been any serious upgrades in years and 13 is very unstable. It is useless and tech support for this product is what I would expect from an amateur product."

Kind of sounds like a rant. Since many people on this forum are Pros and do use Vegas for their work, the question came off condescending. Sony does occasionally read this forum, but if you want to specifically address them you would need to contact support. Otherwise we are all just users.

I did a search for Sony Pro. Seems to me Vegas is in their PRO LINE

[url=http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/products/broadcast-products-creative-software]

I do find 13 unstable. It crashes constantly and I end up using 12 which for me is far more stable.

Tech support has been useless addressing this and they do not have their engineers communicate with their customers (their pro division does with cameras). This is something which I generally find with amateur level software tech support.

I am editing a lot of footage which needs LUTs and for some reason Vegas does not have this ability though their new pro cameras all allow the use of S-LOG 2 and 3.

I am not sure who I have been condescending to outside of Sony.

LUT support in Vegas is possible with the free Vision Color plugin.

There will be a moment for all good things to come to an end. I did not wait till this moment arrives for Vegas.
Adobe Premiere has grown to adulthood now and has taken over all the good things from Vegas. Like easy editing on the time line, being able to accept many plugins that used to be available only in after effects etc. Together with the Red Giant Plugin Suites, Premiere is more than a good replacement for Vegas. Its a fast and easy editor with professional results. I have found my Vegas replacement already....

Keith, I hope you understand that the responses you got initially were because you seemed to have appeared from nowhere, sprayed what appeared to be venom, then vanished again. Which is typically what forum trolls do.

I'm glad that turns out not to be the case, andI hope now you have had some of your misconceptions corrected, and can engage in effective discussion to get to the bottom of others

Clearly you do have a problem with your particular setup. This experience does not seem to be shared by many of us, with most finding V13 far more stable that V12 or V11.

I think that if you persist in the tech-support route, eventually you will get more personalised individual attention, and hopefully get whatever the cause of your problem is, fixed.

In the meantime many of us here continue to encourage SCS to fix known weaknesses, and maybe even add new features, be they essential or general improvements. Else the death-rumours may become a self-fulling prophecy. I think most of us do not actively want that outcome.

geoff

The Premiere that I used years ago was worse than dog crap.
JJK

Years ago I would have said the same. But now I know better. CC2015 is super

I have noticed that users of editing software (including my self) like to stick to there software and defend it much more then any other software user. Even users of Pinnacle Studio do that!
Life is dynamic, not static and so is video editing. The only thing that counts is the result, not the software you used. So if Vegas comes to an end, just choose another program that suits you. Even Pinnacle Studio would be fine if you like that. But stop ignoring reality. Soon Vegas will not work at your new computer, but this is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. This is called progression.

Vegas will not soon stop working on your new computer. Windows 10 is "the last version of Windows". Ancient versions of Vegas still run on Windows 10. And Vegas imports any resolution you might want and outputs 4K video. If it's not updated then of course there will more and more footage that cannot be opened in it (H.265 etc.), but you can always transcode to another format before bringing footage into Vegas.

you can always transcode to another format before bringing footage into Vegas.

i've been doing that for years with 'problematic' codecs. you'll ALWAYS be able to transcode footage to a vegas friendly format.

> "But stop ignoring reality. Soon Vegas will not work at your new computer, but this is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. This is called progression."

Really? Who's "reality" is that?

Let's look at the facts:

Fact #1: As Nick Hope pointed out, Windows 10 is the last version of Windows. It isn't fundamentally changing.
Fact #2: Sony has publicly said that they will continue to maintain Vegas Pro. They have NOT discontinued it.

From those two facts, I see no point in the foreseeable future where Vegas Pro will simply "stop working". In fact Sony said that they will continue to evaluate the need for Vegas Pro 14 so there may actually be a new version at some point down the road.

Even if there isn't a Vegas Pro 14, at worst, there may be new video formats that Vegas Pro 13 can't edit or render and require transcoding, but I can't see it just stop working. That would require a major incompatible version of Windows 11 which by all accounts, Microsoft said isn't going to happen ever.

I see no reason for anyone to stop using Vegas Pro if it's still working for them. What's the old saying? "If it ain't broke... don't fix it!" well... "If it continues to work... keep using it!" and may people have done exactly that considering people are still using Vegas Pro 8, 9, 10 etc. and could care less if there was a Vegas Pro 14, 15, or 16 because 8, 9, & 10 work for them and continue to work with Windows 10.

Professional editors are using Vegas Pro every day. My good friend Roger Bansemer is in the 8th season of his PBS show, Painting & Travel with Roger and Sarah Bansemer, and all 100+ episodes were shot on Sony cameras and edited with Vegas Pro software (I was the Finishing Editor for the first three seasons using Vegas Pro 8, 9 & 10 back then). He uses Vegas Pro 12 now by the way, with no fears that Vegas Pro is somehow going to "stop working".

~jr

I also do not see the point that Vegas should stop working - WHY should that happen?

I mean, with some formats we have the issue that we have to transcode also today. For example with UHD ProRes from my Shogun- where I use TMPGenc to transcode the footage to the Cineform codec in UHD 10bit 422. For H.265 that is necessary.

Sure, I would like to see that a better ProRes decoder is added to Vegas, or that we have H.265 support. Or that the UHD-Playback behaviour becomes improved or XAVC and Cineform. That is something that will not happen maybe. Or I would like to see that Vegas supports the UHD-preview using Blackmagic cards like the Intensity 4K or Decklink 4K extreme - also unlikely to happen, because you have a HD preview with those cards in Vegas only. Or I would like to see support for newer GPUs.

So yes, there is the danger that Vegas becomes more and more outdated since it is not developed further in a clear way. So there may come the day where most of us will think about to move to another NLE. It may also depend on your hardware - with brandnew hardware like my 8-core system I am not so happy with the UHD-preview performance any more. Here I start to see a siginificant difference for example to Edius.

But at the moment, we still can continue to work with Vegas. Hopefull we see some movement by SCS in the near future! At least with an update! ;)

Yes, most likely the last version of Sony Vegas
And most probably the last version of Windows
And yes, for now you can convert files to another codec
sure
But for how long?
My experience in life is that nothing is forever. I have a lot of software that I can not use anymore. Software that I don't want to use anymore. Things are changing all the time.
Can you still buy windows computers after a few years? Quantum computers are almost there. I happen to work in the same building where these computers are being developed. I see how fast new development is going.
But my message is not that I want to be negative about Vegas or Windows or about the future. My message is that I'm surprised how people want to stick to something they know and (in general) are very inflexible for changes. People go immediately into defense if someone makes a negative sentence about there favorite subject. Look for instance at the response a few answers back when I mentioned Adobe Premiere. To be honest, I found it funny although it is sad that people can have such a tunnel vision.
I can appreciate the reaction of JohnnyRoy. John is not a normal user of Vegas. he IS Vegas. With all the scripts he wrote for Vegas and all the training he gave, I can understand that he and Vegas are one.
But reactions like those that were given by JJKizak (a few answers back) and Nick Hope are good examples which show that many Vegas users just go into defense and deny that in the near future changes will come that we even can not for see yet.

(But yes, I was a happy Vegas user for a very long time and I will never say that Vegas is not good. It's just that I am so surprised about how people react...)

@Theo22

I am all up for change I tried that 3 years back. I tried Avid, Edius and PP but none of those NLE are as good as Vegas when it comes to multicam editing. If any of those would have a workflow similar to Vegas, I would jump but they don't. I am not a Mac fan and will never be so FCP is out. Aside from all that, many users here have spend a fortune on Vegas plug ins and that makes it even harder to change. Which other NLE offers scripting?

Theo22 said, "My message is that I'm surprised how people want to stick to something they know and (in general) are very inflexible for changes."

I am on SSI disability. I have a learning disability where I can be very slow at learning new things. I also have other disabilities.

I have become reasonably proficient at using Vegas. It would slow my video work down to a crawl if I had to learn another NLE.

I do videos of church services as a ministry and a hobby. So I am probably not what one would call a 'pro editor'.

There are things about Vegas that I do not like but there are MANY things I do like. The many things I do like far outweigh the things I do not like. I looked at Premiere in the past and I did not like the workflow. It simply does/did not work with my type of logic.

My dad built houses and he always used certain tools with certain way of using them. He became very proficient with those tools and had no desire to use other tools and to learn to use other tools. I am talking about the basic tools. He was always open to better and more efficient ways of doing things. But still stayed with the basic tools that he learned to use.

Even if Sony and SCS slammed the door shut on Vegas today, Vegas will still be running on my new system that I just built. Specs for it will be online here soon.

Maybe if I looked at Premiere again and if I would see it as being extremely helpful for my needs, I still would not use it. Because of my learning disability, it would be extremely tiring for me to learn a new NLE.

So I am going to stay where I am at for the foreseeable future.

AS for the OP, if you like a different NLE then use it, go to a forum that supports it and please leave us alone to enjoy Vegas Pro.

Thank You

www.dannyfye.com

I could have swore I was having flash backs and stumbled into a discussion from the Vegas "Audio" forum from 12 years ago.

Sorry for the interruption. Please continue, this all seems really interesting.

Theo22: "But reactions like those that were given by JJKizak (a few answers back) and Nick Hope are good examples which show that many Vegas users just go into defense and deny that in the near future changes will come that we even can not for see yet."

Er, no. I was just putting you right. But to prove it I suppose we'll have to agree to come back "soon" and see if Vegas still works on new PCs.

Good luck with your new NLE. I have tried it recently and I personally am less productive with it than I am in Vegas. And, mainly because of the scripting/plugin interface, many of the things I do in Vegas simply can't be done in other NLEs.