Best rendering format for S23 ultra footage on Blueray

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marcel-vossen wrote on 8/27/2024, 8:30 AM

@marcel-vossen what age is bride and groom? When they're quite young, do they know what a bluray-disc is and do they have a player for that...and when, will they still be able to watch this self-burned bluray disc at their 25th anniversary of the wedding or have only a nice bluray case booklet to watch?

They probably are already used to streaming...

I agree, they are in their 30s and of course they know what a blueray is, I'm older but tbh I don't have a blueray in my livingroom anymore. So why the heck doesn't Magix include a program like DVDA to make a nice menu for a USB stick then, instead of just discontinuing DVDA?

Thats I question that immediately comes to mind... but maybe I'm just thinking with too much logic for this world ...

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Dexcon wrote on 8/27/2024, 8:54 AM

When DVDA burns (prepares), it creates an ISO file which is then burned to a BD disc. The ISO file contains the data which enables the menus. It would be great if that data were accessible via a memory card or USB stick; unfortunately, the reality is that this is not the case - and this does not solely apply to Vegas Pro. There are few methods of playing ISO files. Years ago, I investigated the Dune HD media player (hardware) which was supposed to be able to play ISO files with menus, but online comments suggested that this was not always the case. What does seem to work with accessing menus from an ISO file is Cyberlink's PowerDVD - but that is a program that needs to be installed on a computer and also needs to be purchased. Note that the current version is version 23 - which suggests that this may be the last version of that product given that its previous yearly releases in Q3 were numbered based on the following year's number.

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/27/2024, 9:20 AM

Do you know of a software that can make a menu on a USB stick like the one DVDA makes for Blueray disks? I think thats a great advantage of the Blueray disk, that you can design a neat menu on the disk and chapters for picking different scenes...

Maybe this one here: https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/de/product/tpxc.html

English: https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tpxc.html

 

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marcel-vossen wrote on 8/27/2024, 10:01 AM

Do you know of a software that can make a menu on a USB stick like the one DVDA makes for Blueray disks? I think thats a great advantage of the Blueray disk, that you can design a neat menu on the disk and chapters for picking different scenes...

Maybe this one here: https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/de/product/tpxc.html

English: https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tpxc.html

 

Thanks this should come in handy in case people need a USB stick, although my point was that in my opinion Magix should make something like this to replace DVDA, now i have to purchase yet another software to make a USB stick if I want to create a menu, and since I don't do weddings more than once a year, it's not worth it to invest in that...

Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/27/2024, 10:16 AM

You had asked.

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VEGASDerek wrote on 8/27/2024, 5:34 PM

Thanks this should come in handy in case people need a USB stick, although my point was that in my opinion Magix should make something like this to replace DVDA, now i have to purchase yet another software to make a USB stick if I want to create a menu, and since I don't do weddings more than once a year, it's not worth it to invest in that...

You want Magix to create something to replace DVDA in a very specific way to satisfy your needs, but you do not seem willing to pay for a package that is already available that could do it. So if you are not willing to pay for an application that already does this, why would we invest our scarce engineering resources into creating an application to do the same thing just so you would not pay for that either? (And I doubt we would get very many customers, if anyone, to buy it...which was also the reason DVDA was discontinued.)

Former user wrote on 8/27/2024, 7:49 PM

don't deliver the final product as a Bluray-disc.

How do you deliver a final product to a private customer then? And how are they supposed to show it to their families on a TV? 🤔

 

It doesn't look like the demand is there anymore to even manufacture the recordable media.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240629/p2g/00m/0bu/018000c

marcel-vossen wrote on 8/28/2024, 3:26 AM

Thanks this should come in handy in case people need a USB stick, although my point was that in my opinion Magix should make something like this to replace DVDA, now i have to purchase yet another software to make a USB stick if I want to create a menu, and since I don't do weddings more than once a year, it's not worth it to invest in that...

You want Magix to create something to replace DVDA in a very specific way to satisfy your needs, but you do not seem willing to pay for a package that is already available that could do it. So if you are not willing to pay for an application that already does this, why would we invest our scarce engineering resources into creating an application to do the same thing just so you would not pay for that either? (And I doubt we would get very many customers, if anyone, to buy it...which was also the reason DVDA was discontinued.)

As far as I know DVDA came with Vegas, it wasn't a seperate purchase?
So in my opinion it would have been logical to migrate that into something that can be used with the new media people use, in this case USB sticks, instead of just discontinuing it...

Since you disagree, why was DVDA part of the Vegas Pro suite in the past in the first place, if you think people should purchase their dvd/bluray authoring software from other vendors? 😉

 

RogerS wrote on 8/28/2024, 4:07 AM

DVDA was part of the VEGAS Suite, not with the base Edit package- so you were paying more for it.

I think most have migrated to online distribution so the utility of any of this is limited. YouTube, Vimeo, Google Drive, etc. are common these days as well as a file someone can plug into their TV or computer and playback as they like.

EricLNZ wrote on 8/28/2024, 4:12 AM

It was part of the suite because years ago Vegas users burnt discs. But technology has moved on and very few burn discs nowadays. They are becoming a relic of the past like VHS tapes The cost of any further development would be a financial burden given the very small number of sales.

Yes DVDA could be obtained as a separate purchase. I purchased DVDA Studio to use before I later purchased Vegas Movie Studio.

marcel-vossen wrote on 8/28/2024, 4:55 AM

 

DVDA was part of the VEGAS Suite, not with the base Edit package- so you were paying more for it.

I think most have migrated to online distribution so the utility of any of this is limited. YouTube, Vimeo, Google Drive, etc. are common these days as well as a file someone can plug into their TV or computer and playback as they like.

For business clients I'm sure thats the case, but for weddings it's a bit weird to give clients a youtube link instead of a nice Blueray cover with a movie in it, it spoils a lot of the 'romantic experience' I'm afraid... 😅🤣

3POINT wrote on 8/28/2024, 4:57 AM

I burned my last CD more than 20 years ago, my last DVD almost 20 years ago and I never burned a Bluray disc...it made a huge storage cabinet in my living obsolete, since I store my really large audio/video collection on HDD. So I never was a fervent DVDA user and really do not miss it.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/28/2024, 5:06 AM

You can also purchase another authoring software and continue to burn discs - if it is so important for your wedding films. But make sure that you have enough recordable media, and enough player available for the couples. Both the media and the player may not be available in future anymore.

You do not spend money for that? Well, the same seems to true for companies that do not see a valid business case any more for developing such tools. Very similar I think.

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VEGASDerek wrote on 8/28/2024, 6:42 AM

I do not want to get into a huge debate about this, but the number just did not lie. We were in a situation where we had to decide if we should continue to develop DVDA and add 4k Blu-ray (no 'e') support to it. Yes, we bundled DVDA to the upper two tiers of the VEGAS product offering (we did not just give it away for free), but research showed that DVDA no longer was considered much of any value to most of our customers and usage of the product had plummeted very quickly. When queried about continued development and 4k Blu-ray support, customers showed absolutely no interest in it.

So, when putting it all together, the cost of Blu-ray licensing fees, lack of usage and lack of interest from most of our customers, the perceived lack of value of the application in bundles and our limited engineering resources, we decided to end development of the product and remove it from our bundles in favor of something that would provide users more value.

marcel-vossen wrote on 8/28/2024, 6:56 AM

You can also purchase another authoring software and continue to burn discs - if it is so important for your wedding films. But make sure that you have enough recordable media, and enough player available for the couples. Both the media and the player may not be available in future anymore.

You do not spend money for that? Well, the same seems to true for companies that do not see a valid business case any more for developing such tools. Very similar I think.

Did you work with TMPGEnc PGMX™ CREATOR already? Does it work on any SmartTV with USB capability? Or just on PC's ?

Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/28/2024, 6:58 AM

I do not know that, since I do not use this product.

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johnny-s wrote on 8/28/2024, 3:18 PM

@marcel-vossen

Consider the positives and also perhaps how you could creatively design an attractive package to present the all metal ( not plastic ) flash drive to clients in.

Lots of very expensive small items come in large packaging, rings, watches etc.

The positive is surely simply creating multiple event mp4's for the wedding, trailer and maybe a full on one.

Much easier than struggling with disc authoring.

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DMT3 wrote on 8/28/2024, 3:49 PM

From what I read, the Pegasys video system plays only on PCs.


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