In DVDA, go to the user manual and select 'Using DVD Architect Software/Rendering Files for your Project/Media Settings for Blu-Ray Disc Projects'. There you'll find that the only two codecs that DVDA will accept are AVC and MPEG2. Tables show the accepted frame rates for the accepted resolution sizes - 60fps is not one of those accepted frame rates. The chart also advises if a progressive or interlaced field order is required.

Another possible issue - mobile phones mostly record in a Variable Frame Rate (VBR) rather than a Constant Frame Rate (CFR) as occurs with dedicated cameras. VBR can sometimes cause problems especially if there is a wide variance in fps. This can be checked by using a detailed report from the free MediaInfo app.

If VBR is a problem, it may be necessary to transcode the video to CBR in Vegas Pro or in a transcoder such as ShutterEncoder or HandBrake - both free.

The video's are VBR indeed, so which format should i render it to in Vegas Pro to get a decent looking CBR format of the film? And since it is variable between 30 and 94fps anyway, does it even matter if I render the project to a 50 or 60fps final format? Since you said DVDA won't accept 60fps, I should use 50fps?

Seems so silly that DVDA can't handle a format tha tmost mobile phones all over the world are using, and isn't 60p the standard in the US and 50p in PAL countries?

... it is variable between 30 and 94fps anyway, does it even matter if I render the project to a 50 or 60fps final format? Since you said DVDA won't accept 60fps, I should use 50fps?

Ouch! That frame rate difference is huge. The table in DVDA's media settings lists the accepted frame rates. While 60fps is not listed, neither is 50 fps. I think that the highest fps shown is 29.97 fps.

Seems so silly that DVDA can't handle a format tha tmost mobile phones all over the world are using ...

Not really. DVDA is a long discontinued product with its last version being 7 released in 2016 (based on a Sony 2013 release) at a time when phone video was not at the level that it is today.

This phone footage is a mess. Labeled PAL and yet it targets 60fps and goes up to 90fps. First thing I'd do would be to convert it to constant framerate with a tool like ShutterEncoder and then bring it into VEGAS for editing and render to a framerate DVDA (and the disk itself) supports.

First thing I'd do would be to convert it to constant framerate with a tool like ShutterEncoder and then bring it into VEGAS for editing and render to a framerate DVDA (and the disk itself) supports.

@RogerS

Thank you for supporting what I wrote earlier.

VBR can sometimes cause problems especially if there is a wide variance in fps. This can be checked by using a detailed report from the free MediaInfo app.

If VBR is a problem, it may be necessary to transcode the video to CBR in Vegas Pro or in a transcoder such as ShutterEncoder or HandBrake - both free.

This phone footage is a mess. Labeled PAL and yet it targets 60fps and goes up to 90fps. First thing I'd do would be to convert it to constant framerate with a tool like ShutterEncoder and then bring it into VEGAS for editing and render to a framerate DVDA (and the disk itself) supports.

Well, unless it's something that can be automated and doesn't take days to render, it's not really an option to convert all videofiles before even starting the project? I just don't have time for that.

So are you guys actually telling me is that Vegas Pro is not able to handle footage from the best performing smartphone out there without first having to jump through all kinds of hoops in other programs with the footage? There must be a render format to choose that renders the project into a similar VBR format that the phone uses, and THEN maybe convert that rendered film with shutterencoder to make it suitable for a Blueray?

VBR can sometimes cause problems especially if there is a wide variance in fps. This can be checked by using a detailed report from the free MediaInfo app.

If VBR is a problem, it may be necessary to transcode the video to CBR in Vegas Pro or in a transcoder such as ShutterEncoder or HandBrake - both free.

I think you meant VFR but wasn't sure.

Well, unless it's something that can be automated and doesn't take days to render, it's not really an option to convert all videofiles before even starting the project? I just don't have time for that.

So are you guys actually telling me is that Vegas Pro is not able to handle footage from the best performing smartphone out there without first having to jump through all kinds of hoops in other programs with the footage? There must be a render format to choose that renders the project into a similar VBR format that the phone uses, and THEN maybe convert that rendered film with shutterencoder to make it suitable for a Blueray?

Yes conversion to constant framerate can be done in batch with ShutterEncoder. How long it takes depends on how fast your computer is.

Best performing smartphone or not, it's still a smartphone and is taking shortcuts that will mean the footage can't be used as is for some purposes.

You can't just burn variable framerate footage to a BluRay, you need some software in the middle to get it into spec (framerate including constant, bitrate).

VEGAS may be able to do this (first set your project to an appropriate framerate and then have VEGAS render video and audio to the exact formats DVDA needs) but if you don't get acceptable results you may need ShutterEncoder before you do the editing in VEGAS.

In ShutterEncoder try convert to output format h264, target the framerate the phone was attempting to do (60fps?), in advance settings limit the GOP to the framerate and you should have a file that looks smoother than the original and edits well in VEGAS. In VEGAS set the project framerate to what the final disk will be (29.97?) and it will either throw away half the frames or you can do slow motion up to 100% for emphasis.

@marcel-vossen

"without first having to jump through all kinds of hoops in other programs with the footage"

AFAIK you can do the vfr 2 cfr in effect within VP.

Select the media properties and select conform to project frame rate that you have set.

I found that this does indeed output similar quality as if done externally.

However, it's better to do it externally unless you have a fairly robust PC

@marcel-vossen

Have you tried all of the BD-legal progressive video formats?

@marcel-vossen

Also worth considering is to use the "Pro video" option at 24 fps in the phone. It's still vfr but should vary, min to max, a lot less and be better under low light. Matching to a br template is then easier.

Always choose the highest bitrate available in the br selection to get best quality output.

To clarify:

Variable Framerate - VFR

Constant Framerate - CFR

Variable Bitrate - VBR

Constant Bitrate - CBR

Those abbreviations are completely mixed up in this thread.

The recordings made with S23 are 1080p60 with VFR at VBR. Vegas doesn't like VFR, so best convert first to CFR with a tool like Handbrake or Shutterencoder, so you get 1080p60 with CFR at VBR, which is no problem for Vegas to edit.

Next issue, BDspecs don't allow 1080p60, only 720p60 or 1080i60. So either you loose resolution quality or you loose the progressive quality, when rendering for Bluray-disc.

Next time when filming such an important event, like a wedding in high quality, better use a real camera and don't deliver the final product as a Bluray-disc.

To clarify:

Variable Framerate - VFR

Constant Framerate - CFR

Variable Bitrate - VBR

Constant Bitrate - CBR

Those abbreviations are completely mixed up in this thread.

The recordings made with S23 are 1080p60 with VFR at VBR. Vegas doesn't like VFR, so best convert first to CFR with a tool like Handbrake or Shutterencoder, so you get 1080p60 with CFR at VBR, which is no problem for Vegas to edit.

Next issue, BDspecs don't allow 1080p60, only 720p60 or 1080i60. So either you loose resolution quality or you loose the progressive quality, when rendering for Bluray-disc.

Next time when filming such an important event, like a wedding in high quality, better use a real camera and don't deliver the final product as a Bluray-disc.

How do you deliver a final product to a private customer then? And how are they supposed to show it to their families on a TV? 🤔

I'm trying Shutterencoder now, it took ages for it to render even 2 short 5 minute clips... and I couldnt even tell if the program was actually doing something, just found out that the result was there, so luckily I didn't close the application because it looked like it wasn't working...

Is there a way to render a batch of files with Shutterencoder and NOT attach them to each other in 1 long clip? I would like to let it render the entire folder at night or something, but I need it to put the results in a subfolder using the same filenames?

Well, unless it's something that can be automated and doesn't take days to render, it's not really an option to convert all videofiles before even starting the project? I just don't have time for that.

So are you guys actually telling me is that Vegas Pro is not able to handle footage from the best performing smartphone out there without first having to jump through all kinds of hoops in other programs with the footage? There must be a render format to choose that renders the project into a similar VBR format that the phone uses, and THEN maybe convert that rendered film with shutterencoder to make it suitable for a Blueray?

Yes conversion to constant framerate can be done in batch with ShutterEncoder. How long it takes depends on how fast your computer is.

Best performing smartphone or not, it's still a smartphone and is taking shortcuts that will mean the footage can't be used as is for some purposes.

You can't just burn variable framerate footage to a BluRay, you need some software in the middle to get it into spec (framerate including constant, bitrate).

VEGAS may be able to do this (first set your project to an appropriate framerate and then have VEGAS render video and audio to the exact formats DVDA needs) but if you don't get acceptable results you may need ShutterEncoder before you do the editing in VEGAS.

In ShutterEncoder try convert to output format h264, target the framerate the phone was attempting to do (60fps?), in advance settings limit the GOP to the framerate and you should have a file that looks smoother than the original and edits well in VEGAS. In VEGAS set the project framerate to what the final disk will be (29.97?) and it will either throw away half the frames or you can do slow motion up to 100% for emphasis.

Thanks a lot for your help, it does look pretty good, it just took a long while and attached the 2 testfiles to each other, how do I set this tool to export the files seperately, I can't find any setting for that?

@marcel-vossen I don't have access to my PC at the moment, (I'm touring through the Netherlands with my camper) to give exact settings for Shutter Encoder. But what I can say from my experience is that Shutter Encoder can batch convert your files and does this very fast. Also do not merge the files.

About delivery, nowadays smartTV's have a USB input were you can play video content directly from a USB stick in full quality. Also those TV's are able to play content from YouTube, so you can also upload your final render to YT.

And for best quality at smallest filesize for the final render, I recommend Voukoder for Vegas.

How do you deliver a final product to a private customer then? And how are they supposed to show it to their families on a TV? 🤔

 

These days? USB stick with an AVC .mp4 file works on most TVs.

I'm trying Shutterencoder now, it took ages for it to render even 2 short 5 minute clips... and I couldnt even tell if the program was actually doing something, just found out that the result was there, so luckily I didn't close the application because it looked like it wasn't working...

Is there a way to render a batch of files with Shutterencoder and NOT attach them to each other in 1 long clip? I would like to let it render the entire folder at night or something, but I need it to put the results in a subfolder using the same filenames?

You can do that, usually I append the file name with something to indicate it's a conversion.

I have found a setting that generates a great looking film in vegas Pro, I'll try rendering the whole film with this and see what happens...

Anyone know what the 'number of slices' does?

This setting throws away 50% of the recorded frames, resulting in less smooth movement.

This setting throws away 50% of the recorded frames, resulting in less smooth movement.

Thanks @3POINT I often wondered what "number of slices" did. With Magix AVC the default appears to be 4, while with Sony AVC it's 1. I've always left it on the default value. Interestingly if I'm using Magix AVC to convert 1080 50i to 50p it's greyed out.

This setting throws away 50% of the recorded frames, resulting in less smooth movement.

I assume you meant the 29,970fps and not the slices setting?

If you did mean the slices setting, would I have to set the slices setting to 1 then?

I know what you mean, but I will probably slow it all down anyway, so the extra frames will be used for the slowmotion. If they want a USB stick I can use 60fps, I like that look more too for fast moving scenes, but most of it is not moving. And since hollywood has been doing it for ages with 24fps, why would we worry about it anyway? ;)

I don't understand the course of technology? As published elsewhere, BD is a medium that is being phased out. The USB stick is supposed to be the measure of all things?
Sorry - that's not progress for me.

How do you deliver a final product to a private customer then? And how are they supposed to show it to their families on a TV? 🤔

 

These days? USB stick with an AVC .mp4 file works on most TVs.

I'm trying Shutterencoder now, it took ages for it to render even 2 short 5 minute clips... and I couldnt even tell if the program was actually doing something, just found out that the result was there, so luckily I didn't close the application because it looked like it wasn't working...

Is there a way to render a batch of files with Shutterencoder and NOT attach them to each other in 1 long clip? I would like to let it render the entire folder at night or something, but I need it to put the results in a subfolder using the same filenames?

You can do that, usually I append the file name with something to indicate it's a conversion.

I would prefer that too to be honest if I would have to choose, but to be honest, snibchi1 has a point, it is a pretty big step back in presentation value if you give your customer a USB stick instead of a nice Blueray case with a menu.

Do you know of a software that can make a menu on a USB stick like the one DVDA makes for Blueray disks? I think thats a great advantage of the Blueray disk, that you can design a neat menu on the disk and chapters for picking different scenes...

Do you know of a software that can make a menu on a USB stick like the one DVDA makes for Blueray disks? I think thats a great advantage of the Blueray disk, that you can design a neat menu on the disk and chapters for picking different scenes...

Maybe this one here: https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/de/product/tpxc.html

English: https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tpxc.html