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Steve Mann wrote on 4/21/2011, 2:35 PM
I am also interested in this topic.

I have a green-screen studio and I tire of removing my Z1 from the teleprompter to take it into the field, so I want to have a permanent studio camera. One of the possible solutions is an "inexpensive" camcorder with 4:2:2 1080i HD output into either the Intensity Shuttle or a BlackMagic card.

This solution would require a new PC for the studio since nothing here has USB3, and everything else is simply too noisy to leave on during shooting.

Now, a new possible solution appears at NAB:
http://www.atomos.com/ninja/
A standalone HDMI recorder.

So now, my mix of solutions includes an HDMI recorder instead of another PC. Maybe a Canon Rebel T2i instead of an "inexpensive" camcorder.

So, back to the original topic - how are you planning to use the BMD card or Intensity Shuttle?
Siby wrote on 4/22/2011, 6:29 PM
I do have USB 3.0 in my PC. that is why I was looking into both 3.0 and PCI express card interfaces.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 4/22/2011, 7:02 PM
Steve,
Check this out.

It may be a much cheaper solution than the 'Ninja'.

Tom
john_dennis wrote on 4/22/2011, 7:34 PM
This looks like an excellent product. I will admit this is the first time I've ever seen these words used in the same sentence...

"recording direct to common low cost SSDs"
Steve Mann wrote on 4/22/2011, 8:41 PM
Thanks Tom.. Only $327 at Markertech - about 1/3 the cost of the Intensity Shuttle and I don't need a new PC with USB3.

I really hadn't investigated the BM line because they are usually the more expensive option.

Maybe with a used Canon Rebel T2i, I may have an under $1K option here.

Steve
farss wrote on 4/23/2011, 1:00 AM
I will admit this is the first time I've ever seen these words used in the same sentence...

At 1.5Gb/s you'll be filling them up rather quickly!

Bob.
John_Cline wrote on 4/23/2011, 1:28 AM
Uncompressed 8-bit 1902x1080-59.94i is about 120 megabytes/second, which is 422 GB/hour. To record an hour of video would require a drive like the OCZ Agility 2 480GB SSD which is $1,165 at Newegg (and that's probably a blow-out price since it's an older model.) The 480GB OCZ Vertex 3 (which is a new model) is $1,900.

Using 10-bit it jumps to about 158 MB/sec, which is 556 GB/hour.

For the time being, I'll stick with 32GB SDHC cards using AVCHD, a pair of cards on my NX-5 gets me six continuous hours.
Steve Mann wrote on 4/25/2011, 8:09 PM
Can you think of any reason that it wouldn't record to a hard-disk? Since I am planning a studio use, shock isn't a problem.
John_Cline wrote on 4/25/2011, 9:24 PM
The Hyperdeck Shuttle records uncompressed only which is either 120 MB/s or 158MB/s, no hard drive can sustain that data rate, particularly the 2.5" drives that it requires.
Steve Mann wrote on 4/26/2011, 10:41 AM
Thanks, I should have figured that out. But, still worth considering.
craftech wrote on 4/27/2011, 12:56 PM
Hopefully it won't end up like the H.264 Pro Recorder which had release dates that kept getting changed for over a year until Blackmagic Design finally dropped it. It was never released.
I have no idea what goes on at that company.

John
Guerilla Video wrote on 4/27/2011, 2:05 PM
Just a note, intensity pro, pci e or usb 3 ,, cost is less than $200.
199 list, typically around 189 try fullcompass.com
logiquem wrote on 4/28/2011, 6:11 AM
There's also this one:
http://www.matrox.com/video/en/products/mac/mxo2_family/mini_connections/#close

Bastien
DataMeister wrote on 4/29/2011, 6:13 AM
"Now, a new possible solution appears at NAB:
www.atomos.com/ninja/
A standalone HDMI recorder."

That one also uses the "low cost HHD/SSD recording" method.
William Koehler wrote on 7/31/2011, 8:11 PM
Yes, but anything besides uncompressed involves a far, far lower data rate. So while the unit is far more expensive than the Black Magic Design unit, the storage is a fraction of the price. You would only use SSD where either shock or other environmental concerns (dust? altitude?) could take out a hard drive. Part of their pitch is that you can use cheap 2.5 notebook drives the way you once used professional format tapes. They are cheap enough you can hand them off to the client at the end of an event.
MacVista wrote on 8/1/2011, 10:35 AM
Just FYI the intensity shuttles are VERY picky about the USB3 port. I've only seen one laptop that it would work on (Toshiba portege R830 10V if anyone's interested) and the same goes for USB3 ports and cards in desktop machines.

If you buy one make sure you can take it back.
Zelkien69 wrote on 8/1/2011, 11:33 AM
I have the usb 3.0 Intensity Shuttle and can say that it works very well. What it comes down to is motherboard. I can currently run it on the two X58 motherboards (the minimum) and my laptop which has an HM65 motherboard and two USB ports.

With Vegas you have the option of 8-bit or 10-bit recording AVI or MXF. I may be wrong, but I think that having Vegas and capturing through it is what makes the 50MB 422 option available as it will not come up with the provided Blackmagic software. I am able to capture directly to my 2nd laptop hard drive with the MXF or I use an external USB 3.0 SSD for the 8-bit AVI. I've had little success with 10-bit-It is just a laptop afterall.

As was mentioned in the previous post, they run $200 or less. And with very few people being able to get the running you'll frequently find them on eBay for $150 or so as people don't check the specs.

The quality and latitude with even the lowly 8-bit MXF file is fantastic compared to typical compressed capture. It's worth a shot for <$200.