Blue clips taken on Boeing Dreamliner

JohnAsh wrote on 7/14/2024, 3:17 AM

Having used Vegas for a l-o-n-g time, I should know how to fix this, but I don't. I use VP Pro v19.

I have some video taken on my Sony FDR-AX53 while flying from Madrid to Dallas on a Boeing 787 "Dreamliner". On these planes, the crew are able to adjust the shading of these windows. The passengers should also be able to control this, but often it doesn't work! So my clips taken on this trip have a horrible blue tint.

I have already looked at the "Color Grading" window and most of it is double Dutch to me, I'm afraid. However, I've made an attempt at correcting the colour of these clips by dragging the "RL Color Wheels and the outcome doesn't look too bad. I couldn't see a way of saving the settings used, so I have used "Paste Attributes" to apply the same correction to the other blue clips.

I'm attaching two files, showing "before" and "after". Am I on the right-ish lines for this, please?

PS, having closed the corrections I made disappear! I missed a step to "apply" my changes, but can't work out how to do this!

Comments

gorGaram wrote on 7/14/2024, 3:26 AM

@JohnAsh Can you upload the original video to a file sharing service?

Gid wrote on 7/14/2024, 3:34 AM

@JohnAsh Blue images are probably an AMD GPU driver issue, search this forum for related issues using those keywords

Here's one https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-19-0-completly-different-colours-after-rendering-video--136578/#ca853542

Dexcon wrote on 7/14/2024, 4:04 AM

@JohnAsh ... The 787 Dreamliner is a comfortable and relatively quiet aircraft, but I also am not a great fan of the forced dimming/color tinting applied by the crew to passenger windows particularly during take-off and landing. Apparently, its much the same on Airbus A350s.

There are some long-existing native Vegas Pro video FX that may help correct the color, those being Color Balance and Channel Blend - particularly Channel Blend. Give each of these a try as one of them should hopefully improve the result over what you are currently achieving.

JohnAsh wrote on 7/14/2024, 4:16 AM

@JohnAsh Can you upload the original video to a file sharing service?

@gorGaram I hope you can access it here. Thanks!!

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AiIJWbbvbxhEme0aTbGUw-1iNsD2og?e=agxTNe

Hope that works!

JohnAsh wrote on 7/14/2024, 4:17 AM

@JohnAsh Blue images are probably an AMD GPU driver issue, search this forum for related issues using those keywords

Here's one https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-19-0-completly-different-colours-after-rendering-video--136578/#ca853542

Thanks. I do have AMD GPU but all the other clips are fine. It's just the ones taken through that plane's windows.

RogerS wrote on 7/14/2024, 4:32 AM

The window itself has essentially a tinted electronic neutral density filter built into it. Correcting WB at the time of shooting is the best option (though not sure how well this can be done).

I'd start with the hue and temperature sliders in the color grading panel. Or in color curves select and pull the blue channel way down.

Gid wrote on 7/14/2024, 4:34 AM

@JohnAsh You can try rolling back your driver to see if it changes anything,

The difference in the media would be useful, share the MediaInfo for one that looks normal & one that looks blue. -

The App is called MediaInfo, download it, it's free & a fast download with no added adverts or any of that rubbish. https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo.
After downloading, right click on the media file in your Windows folder, open MediaInfo, choose Text from the options at the top, screen capture that page or Copy & paste the information in a new comment on here using the arrow button next to the smiley at the top of a new comment 👍

Like this -

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Edit - Sorry just seen your shared file, so the orig is blue before it's loaded into Vegas & you want to colour correct it, I get it now 👍

Dexcon wrote on 7/14/2024, 4:39 AM

@JohnAsh ... Using a combination of Color Balance and Channel Blend FX gave this result after quick and rough adjustments:

The FX settings were:

No doubt it could be improved with fine-tuning.

Maybe a 2nd Color Balance FX set for Highlights could clean it up a little more.

JohnAsh wrote on 7/14/2024, 4:45 AM

After downloading, right click on the media file in your Windows folder, open MediaInfo, choose Text from the options at the top, screen capture that page or Copy & paste the information in a new comment on here using the arrow button next to the smiley at the top of a new comment 👍

Like this -

Here is media info from the "blue clip". A good clip is in the next post.

General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : E:\Home Movies\Sony Vegas USA24\Media\MTSs\24-04-24-12-28-45_00015.MTS
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 27.3 MiB
Duration : 13 s 970 ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 16.4 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate : 18.0 Mb/s
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Recorded date : 2024-04-24 03:28:29-07:00
Writing application : Sony FDR-AX53

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=2, N=13
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 13 s 960 ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 15.5 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 16.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan type, store method : Separated fields
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.298
Stream size : 25.7 MiB (94%)
IrisFNumber : 2.800000

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 14 s 48 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -80 ms
Stream size : 439 KiB (2%)
Service kind : Complete Main
Dialog Normalization : -31 dB
compr : -0.28 dB
dialnorm_Average : -31 dB
dialnorm_Minimum : -31 dB
dialnorm_Maximum : -31 dB

Text
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Duration : 13 s 455 ms
Delay relative to video : -80 ms

JohnAsh wrote on 7/14/2024, 4:46 AM

A clip with good colour balance:

General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : E:\Home Movies\Sony Vegas USA24\Media\MTSs\24-04-25-18-11-35_00055.MTS
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 37.4 MiB
Duration : 19 s 176 ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 16.4 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate : 18.0 Mb/s
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Recorded date : 2024-04-25 09:11:14-07:00
Writing application : Sony FDR-AX53

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=2, N=13
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 19 s 160 ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 15.4 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 16.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan type, store method : Separated fields
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.298
Stream size : 35.3 MiB (94%)
IrisFNumber : 4.000000

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 19 s 264 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -80 ms
Stream size : 602 KiB (2%)
Service kind : Complete Main
Dialog Normalization : -31 dB
compr : -0.28 dB
dialnorm_Average : -31 dB
dialnorm_Minimum : -31 dB
dialnorm_Maximum : -31 dB

Text
ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : PGS
Codec ID : 144
Duration : 18 s 655 ms
Delay relative to video : -80 ms

Gid wrote on 7/14/2024, 4:51 AM

@JohnAsh Thanks, I added to my last comment that 'the orig is blue before it's loaded into Vegas & you want to colour correct it, I get it now 👍'

JohnAsh wrote on 7/14/2024, 5:05 AM

Thank you so much for all the help - but now I've done something that means all FX are greyed out and I can't access them. What the heck have I done.... please!!?

3POINT wrote on 7/14/2024, 5:06 AM

Complete name : E:\Home Movies\Sony Vegas USA24\Media\MTSs\24-04-25-18-11-35_00055.MTS

@JohnAsh as a long time (Sony) Vegas User, you probably missed the name change from Sony Vegas to Vegas. See also here for explanation: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/sony-vegas-vs-vegas--119881/

EricLNZ wrote on 7/14/2024, 5:09 AM

but now I've done something that means all FX are greyed out

What exactly and where are you seeing this?

JohnAsh wrote on 7/14/2024, 5:20 AM

but now I've done something that means all FX are greyed out

What exactly and where are you seeing this?

It's only happening on the clips that I have recently colour-adjusted. WHen I select and right-click a video event, all of the FX items are greyed out. Similarly in the Tools>Video menu, Video FX is greyed out. Oddly, Colour Grading is still available there. The clips concerned are not "locked".

Thank you!

gorGaram wrote on 7/14/2024, 5:20 AM

JohnAsh wrote on 7/14/2024, 5:24 AM

but now I've done something that means all FX are greyed out

What exactly and where are you seeing this?

It's only happening on the clips that I have recently colour-adjusted. WHen I select and right-click a video event, all of the FX items are greyed out. Similarly in the Tools>Video menu, Video FX is greyed out. Oddly, Colour Grading is still available there. The clips concerned are not "locked".

Thank you!

Solved! By cutting and pasting the event! I wonder what it was,.

Gid wrote on 7/14/2024, 5:29 AM

@JohnAsh If you right click then press the windows key + Shift + S the window will go dark & you can capture the right click options that you say are greyed out 👍

JohnAsh wrote on 7/14/2024, 5:44 AM

@JohnAsh If you right click then press the windows key + Shift + S the window will go dark & you can capture the right click options that you say are greyed out 👍

I did try that just now - don't laugh but my Logitech MXKEYS keyboard doesn't have a Windows Key - or, at least, I don't know which one it might be!

However, I can't now replicate the problem as, by cutting and pasting the video clips affected, I could then see the FX options.

I am now pretty happy with the correction I have achieved - I started with the settings that @Deacon showed me, above - which I tweaked a bit further to my liking. Every day I learn something. A lot of it due to this fab forum! Thank you all for the swift replies.

Dexcon wrote on 7/14/2024, 5:58 AM

After tweaking some more, adding a 2nd Color Balance FX for the highlights, a bit of sharpening at the beginning of the FX chain, and adding some 'oomph' via contrast and saturation to offset what has been lost through the window, I ended up with this:

I don't think that much can easily be done about the darkening on the LH side of the window.

mark-y wrote on 7/14/2024, 1:43 PM

After tweaking some more, adding a 2nd Color Balance FX for the highlights, a bit of sharpening at the beginning of the FX chain, and adding some 'oomph' via contrast and saturation to offset what has been lost through the window, I ended up with this:

I don't think that much can easily be done about the darkening on the LH side of the window.

JohnAsh wrote on 7/15/2024, 6:12 AM

Brilliant assistance, everyone! Thanks very much for your time and efforts. I now have a very satisfactory record of our flight to DFW from Madrid! Thanks again.