@Reyfox Sorry bit off topic but couldn't post this in msgs,

PS it's not all BCC+ fxs that don't work on a still image, BCC+CameraShake - Amplitude does work (not Scale or Translation) , there are prob others that do or don't 🤷‍♂️

@Former user Unlike Sapphire Team's guys, Peter and Jason of BCC will definitely record and solve your bug feedback if they see you post it.

The BCC section is the most vegas-user-friendly section of the Boris Forum.

@lan-mLMC Yeah you're right,

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I haven't asked about the beat reactor, but yes there seems to be more feedback on the BCC side of things, do you think that is just the people involved or that BCC is a lot more 'compatible' (can't think of a better word right now), If any of the Boris stuff is likely to crash Vegas for me it's the Sapphire stuff, BCC generally plays well, Mocha slows Vegas playback but doesn't crash Vegas. Sapphire seems a bit more intensive..

@Former user I would think that this is more due to human reasons. BCC's staff is happy to answer my bug feedback and suggestions about BCC. No matter whether it is forum posts or PM for him, he always answers questions. I even asked him about Sapphire S_Effects😂, and he helped pass it on to guys in Sapphire. So when I have good suggestions or ideas, I always send them to him in a polite way, he is respectable.

I remember I once suggested the Adaptive height of PI keyframe graph, and they implement it within one year. This is one of the reasons why I respect them.

@lan-mLMC Yep, I didn't mean to sound too hard about the Boris team, they're the best for feedback & finding results on any of the forums I've used, proper pro feedback from the actual people in charge 👍 I think like I say (you say) it's down to host limitation. It can't be easy to fix all compatibility problems with some software that even the Vegas team agree needs a bit of updating & are trying to do so..

Vegas Pro 21 (300) has been treating me quite well, I've got to say I've had a lot less crashes then I have in the past, my files & Gopro seem to play better, just generally it all seems a lot smoother. I'm a bit skint at the mo & I've got 3yrs before their upgrade option runs out so might not be renewing Boris for a while, I think I'm going to make do with how things are but funny enough I'm fairly comfortable with that. hopefully Vegas updates won't mean I have to update Boris to keep it all working right.

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You edited your comment. Yes I was just trying out keyframing the corner pins in BCC+Transform, they weren't working & was mentioned in their forum but seem to do now, so they've taken that on board & fixed it 👍

@Reyfox Sorry bit off topic but couldn't post this in msgs,

PS it's not all BCC+ fxs that don't work on a still image, BCC+CameraShake - Amplitude does work (not Scale or Translation) , there are prob others that do or don't 🤷‍♂️

I can't edit this comment 🤔 I've discovered if I add BCC+ Beat Reactor FX to Track FX it'll work on still images like pngs, jpgs , could have sworn I'd tried this before 🤦‍♂️😂

@Reyfox Sorry bit off topic but couldn't post this in msgs,

PS it's not all BCC+ fxs that don't work on a still image, BCC+CameraShake - Amplitude does work (not Scale or Translation) , there are prob others that do or don't 🤷‍♂️

I can't edit this comment 🤔 I've discovered if I add BCC+ Beat Reactor FX to Track FX it'll work on still images like pngs, jpgs , could have sworn I'd tried this before 🤦‍♂️😂

Edit, it needs a video on another track for the BCC+ beat reactor fx to work, like this

@lan-mLMC Hi, Alan replied on the Boris thread about S_Effect, I still can't get the parameters to show in Vegas, can you think of anything?

https://forum.borisfx.com/t/s-effect-parameters-dont-show-in-vegas/12677/19

I configured it like that, but the parameters can't be displayed in Vegas. I don't know where the problem is.

@lan-mLMC Thanks, Alan says he'll look into it

Hope it can be fixed this time.

@lan-mLMC When you open the Builder does it show the video? I have to click Fit to show it.

Yes, it displays normally:
I think the problem is due to the layout of your builder, which makes your preview start at 0%.

You may not need to ask Alan this question at this time. It may make Alan neglect to verify the bug of parameters. They often do this when Vegas is not the host they actively support.

@lan-mLMC I tried changing it to Horizontal Layout, similar thing.

I deleted this issue from the Boris thread, I'll have a play & see if I can change it, hopefully they fix the parameter issue & I'll then bring it up if it's still like this. thanks.

Maybe it's because I didn't update to 2024.

😂 I think it has always been like this for me, I don't use this s_effect or the s_transition one tho because of the non existent parameters, well see,maybe I'll work it out maybe not.

PS, the older BCC fxs with Beat Reactor work on a still image, png, jpg etc. but for me the newer ones BCC+ don't work on still images, but I bet the newer BCC+Beat Reactor work on still images in AE & prob their other hosts, I'd be interested to find out but I've no longer got AE to test it. Can you & @Reyfox try this on a still image in Vegas? The main one I go to is BCC+Transform. (BCC DVE still works as this is a older fx, this is my back-up option & does a similar thing to Transform (Beat Reactor using Scale))

Lots of 'buts', sorry

PS it's not all BCC+ fxs that don't work on a still image, BCC+CameraShake - Amplitude does work (not Scale or Translation) , there are prob others that do or don't 🤷‍♂️

For the problem, I now convey the response of Continuum engineers.

Most BCC+FX Beat Reactor (eg. BCC+Transform) in Vegas - Abnormal
BCC+CameraShake Beat Reactor in Vegas - Normal
BCC/BCC+FX Beat Reactor in AE - Normal
BCC Beat Reactor in Vegas - Normal

BCC+Transform is a static effect. In order to avoid unnecessary performance waste, when it is applied to a static source, it will tell Vegas that it is not necessary to constantly render the same result on every frame. So Beat Reactor won't move.

BCC+CameraShake is a dynamic effect, so each frame of it needs to be re-rendered, so there is no performance waste. When it is applied to a static source, it will tell Vegas to render on each frame. So Beat Reactor will move.

The reason they works in After Effects is because that, AE can intelligently render only one frame when the static effect Beat Reactor is not enabled, and render each frame when Beat Reactor is enabled. This is a dynamic switching.

When The legacy BCC are applied to static sources, it will indiscriminately tell Vegas to render each frame, so their Beat Reactor will move. This is a practice of sacrificing performance, that is, when some BCC static effects are applied to static sources, even though the results of each frame are the same, the legacy bcc will still tell Vegas to waste performance to render each frame.

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Therefore, AE is more intelligent in this respect, and it can dynamically switch whether an effect needs to render each frame.

Whether Vegas has this kind of dynamic switching ability, Continuum engineers say it needs to be investigated.

He also said that it is certain that Resolve and Premiere do not have this ability, so Beat Reactor in static source will not move in Resolve and PR too.

BCC+Transform is a static effect. In order to avoid unnecessary performance waste, when it is applied to a static source, it will tell Vegas that it is not necessary to constantly render the same result on every frame. So Beat Reactor won't move.

In this case, there is a workaround. That is, add a keyframe to BCC+Transform, so that it will become a dynamic effect and the Beat Reactor will move.

@lan-mLMC Excellent thanks, I've just quickly been going through it, I found turning on keyframes & adding 01 to the end of any of the parameters makes it work, this is 13.3901, click off this & it only shows 13.39 (as Vegas does) but the added 01 is still there just not visible. The added 01 wouldn't be noticeable on screen 👍

Yes, any parameter keyframe can turn it into a dynamic effect, so that Vegas can render every frame of it instead of just one frame, so that Beat reactor can be animated.

@lan-mLMC So is that why it works if a still image with beat reactor on it (no keyframes) & a video below, Vegas is having to render the video & so the entre timeline's contents inc the still image/beat reactor also get rendered ?

@Former user Yes, I think that's the reason.