BUG: Volume and Pan levels disappearing from Audio Buses on V21?

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 11/29/2023, 6:28 PM

Trying my first edit out on Vegas21, and having an odd behavior... wondering if anyone else has run into this?

The VOLUME level on an inserted Audio Bus track has.... vanished?!

Subsequently, both the VOLUME and PAN levels have... vanished.. on the Master bus track?!

Here is what it normally looks like (V20)

Here is what it looks like in V21

I can insert Volume and Pan envelopes on the tracks just fine.. just no master slider... ?! I'm pretty sure it was there when I started, and then .. it wasn't.

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Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

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RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 11/29/2023, 6:33 PM

I do realize I can get to the levels by opening the Mixing Console -- but as you can see here, while they DO show in the mixing console, they're still missing on the bus tracks.

Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 11/29/2023, 7:56 PM

Yay? I guess that's comforting to know it's not just me... are the Vegas folks monitoring the forums and adding bugs they see.. what's the latest preferred method to submit bugs?

Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

Former user wrote on 11/30/2023, 2:17 PM

@RedRob-CandlelightProdctns Not here in VP21 - 187

Adis-a wrote on 11/30/2023, 3:13 PM

Can't you make a track wider or narrower as you see fit? Like this:

 

 

or this:

 

Robert Johnston wrote on 12/1/2023, 12:07 AM

@RedRob-CandlelightProdctns @Former user @frmax @Howard-Vigorita @Adis-a

The volume control is there, it's just that the labels are the same color as the background. I randomly clicked where I thought the volume control might be, and got a hit a few times. Then I was able to drag it back and forth. I had animation on and volume envelope showing. As I was dragging left and right, the volume envelope would go up and down.

Intel Core i7 10700K CPU @ 3.80GHz (to 4.65GHz), NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GBytes. Memory 32 GBytes DDR4. Also Intel UHD Graphics 630. Mainboard: Dell Inc. PCI-Express 3.0 (8.0 GT/s) Comet Lake. Bench CPU Multi Thread: 5500.5 per CPU-Z.

Vegas Pro 21.0 (Build 108) with Mocha Vegas

Windows 11 not pro

rraud wrote on 12/1/2023, 10:54 AM

I can access the master volume envelope on the Vegas 21 (build 187) by opening the 'Audio Bus Tracks' (View menu or the "B" key shortcut). Right-click the master header and choose the desired envelope(s). The 'V' key will also will show/hide the envelope.

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 12/1/2023, 10:59 AM

I can access the master volume envelope on the Vegas 21 (build 187) by opening the 'Audio Bus Tracks' (View menu or the "B" key shortcut). Right-click the master header and choose the desired envelope(s). The 'V' key will also will show/hide the envelope.

Yup. There are workarounds to this clear bug, which include

  1. Inserting track envelopes on the affected bus tracks, and adjusting on the track body
  2. Open the mixing console and adjust there

 

Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

gary-rebholz wrote on 12/13/2023, 3:21 PM

@RedRob-CandlelightProdctns, thanks for the report. The Volume slider is still there, but the UI is missing (as you've pointed out). If you point just to the left of the Automation button, you can find the ToolTip. When that appears, you know you are pointing to the volume "lane". If you click it, it will adjust the volume. If you happen to be pointing to the Volume fader itself, you can drag it to adjust the volume as if it were visible. You can watch the fader in the Master Bus window as it moves in reaction to your adjustments. Obviously, a workaround, but it does work. We'll look for a proper fix. Thanks.

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 12/13/2023, 9:01 PM

@gary-rebholz That's hilarious... it's a differentiating feature now. the "ghost slider" ;-)

Thanks for the acknowledgement.. no rush on the fix.. I presume it's an easy one to get in the next release.

Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

gary-rebholz wrote on 12/13/2023, 10:03 PM

I've applied for a copyright on "ghost slider" just in case anyone was getting any ideas. I leave it to the team to prioritize and determine whether it's an "easy fix" or not!

gary-rebholz wrote on 12/14/2023, 12:04 PM

@RedRob-CandlelightProdctns, one of our beta testers was looking at this and pointed out a really valuable find. Once you are pointing at the fader lane (you'll know when you see the ToolTip), you can use the mouse wheel to adjust the volume regardless of whether you're actually pointing to the fader or not (this is a handy shortcut for all faders that you may not have known). The Ctrl modifier also works for fine adjustments. This then makes the "ghost slider" actually still quite usable since you don't have to hunt around for the exact location of the fader itself. And, for what it's worth, the text field is also still available. Double click toward the left of the fader lane and you'll get the text entry field where you can input an exact value if you'd like to.

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 12/14/2023, 1:08 PM

@gary-rebholz <snip> you can use the mouse wheel to adjust the volume regardless of whether you're actually pointing to the fader or not (this is a handy shortcut for all faders that you may not have known). </snip>

Oh -- I've known about the scroll-wheel functionality for quite a while -- but don't 100% agree on it being more handy than nuisance.

More than once -- I'll be navigating tracks with the scroll wheel but accidentally the cursor moves over to the track headers area on top of a fader, and voila... a track is slightly panned left... an opacity set to 99% (slows everything down!) or track volume tweaked. Most of the time I catch it... sometimes it's not for a long while.

That particular feature (scroll-wheel to move track-header faders) is one I'd likely disable if given the choice via system preferences. <hint hint 😏 >

 

Totally usable.. not a major worry at all...

PS You may have applied for the copyright, but I'm the proud owner of ghostslider.com

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Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio