Im talking internally in vegas
to send track one to output one, you need to pan hard left in vegas.When also using a vegas fx or aux send, this sends that track to fx send LEFT only, I need it to send to both

Why not use busses?you can set 2 busses to the same output, unlock the fader pull the one you don't want signal on down to off...

From Vegas Help (search on "mono"):

Vegas allows you to perform audio channel conversion nondestructively. You can mix channels, convert to mono, or swap channels in a stereo file.

Right-click an event and choose Channels from the shortcut menu. You can then choose a command from the submenu to specify how Vegas should treat the channels in your file.

Item
Description

Both
Treats the event as a normal stereo file.

Left Only
Creates a mono event using only the left channel of your media file.

Right Only
Creates a mono event using only the right channel of your media file.

Combine
Creates a mono event by mixing the channels of your media file. After mixing the channels, Vegas divides the amplitude by two to prevent clipping.

Swap
Exchanges the right and left channels in a stereo recording.

beause I may want say track one and track 4 to go to the same aux, 1 MUST be panned hard left to come out output 1, 4 MUST be panned hard right and thus will go to the opposite side of that aux or buss, so I need something to send them both to the same place.

thanks bgc but that wouldnt apply in this case

<<beause I may want say track one and track 4 to go to the same aux, 1 MUST be panned hard left to come out output 1, 4 MUST be panned hard right and thus will go to the opposite side of that aux or buss, so I need something to send them both to the same place.>>

Yes!! I've got the same major complaint here as Pipeline! We've both posted about this previously. Its almost like SoFo has assummed that Vegas users never use outboard mixers anymore. This is my top of the list gripe with Vegas! Hope this gets fixed in the next version. Or perhaps a SoFo tech can suggest a workaround that we haven't figured out yet?? ;-)

drbam

You might be able to do what you need with something like the free GPan.

Have a look at http://www.gsonic.com/ where you will find details of a Stereo Enhancer plugin.

If you download the Stereo Enhancer demo it will also install a free, simpler, version called GPan which would allow you to take a stereo pair as input and mix them down to two copies of the same mono sum as output (i.e. the same mono sum appearing on both the left and right channel of the output). Wasteful of channels but it might allow you to achieve what you want, if I've understood you correctly.

Mark

Let me get this right, You want to pan hard left so that the mono DRY signal is going to output 1 and then you want FX send1 feeding a bus or aux send, but feeds both the L and R input to the buss? Pan hard left and raise the level of FX send1. Now do a "duplicate" track. Now pan the duplicate track hard right and pull the volume fader to -inf. right click on FX send1 and select "pre fader". Now raise the level of FX send 1 so that it matches the level going to the left side of the FX send bus.

Or an even simpler method would be to NOT pan at all. Just leave the Pan in the Center position and create a buss to send it too (ie outputs 1/2). Goto that buss and unlock the faders and pull down the fader that corresponds to output 2. Now use your FX1 send and it will feed both the left and right FX/Buss inputs. NO PLUGINS NEEDED.

Yours truly

P.S. You see, there....another helpful posts from me and I didn't even put in any sarcastic remarks like, how a competitent engineer could easily overcome the problems you're having, especially one who claims to have been mixing for 10 years, everyday, with a boat load,of outboard gear and a ton of credits on some lame website. Maybe some of us would now see this as a "USER limitation" instead of a "VEGAS limitation".....obviously, because I just gave you 2 solutions to the same problem. But, afterall that IS what the "user" forums are here for, so that users can help one another.....Please, tell us some more stories, of how many great records you've worked on.....and all the great outboard gear you have.....they are very amusing to me.

Thanks mark! gpan look perfect. Actually perfect would be if we didnt have to pan the tracks but hopefully thats coming. Thanks a ton!

Hey Red! I already offered pipe your second solution in my post, glad someone else reiterated it though as it would seem to be the easiest solution to his issue. Oh well, I guess everyone works in their own way. I like your first solution though as it would offer the use of the pan on the fx. though wouldn't it be better to do all of the automation for fx etc. from the dupe track? Or am I missing something?
Steve

cold, you want me to give up half my outputs? That isnt much of a solution to me

Only "You" would give up half your outputs. The rest of us, would create 2 busses with the same output assignments, where one would be Bus A with the right fader pulled down and assigned to outputs 1/2. The other would be Bus B with the left fader pulled down and assigned to outputs 1/2 also. Then assign the audio track to the bus you want it to go to.

Pipe, I know you and Red aren't on speaking terms, but he is right on how to make this work, use 2 busses with the same output assignment. Red may be ornery but he does know his stuff and he does try to help in his own way. Anyways, not my fight.
Steve

Lucky for me I have the Fraud on ignore but I'll try your way , Cold and report back

cool! it works

unfortunately, it makes vegas a lot stickier and sketchier :(
The single busses were weird enough, like if you zoom in or zoom out sometimes the tracks loose synch with each other, and now it seems to be doing it just from hitting the eq :(

This will work for now, but hopefully theyll let us route out to single outs in Vegas 4 and also let us have a path to the master buss, so we can preserve the stereo image in FX sends...that would RULE

"Lucky for me I have the Fraud on ignore..."

Yeah, good thing. We wouldn't want him to take any useful advice and learn how to actually use the equipment he owns. He might start to get dangerous and be able to actually come in and offer some useful advice to other users instead of asking for help all the time. It just kills me how someone who brags about having so much experience and his name is posted "all over the internet" for credits...can't understand simple routing or know anything about generating SMPTE. I learned that in my first year of recording.....I guess it just takes some people a little longer.

"...and also let us have a path to the master buss, so we can preserve the stereo image in FX sends...""

What do you mean by this? (Details please.)

""...and also let us have a path to the master buss, so we can preserve the stereo image in FX sends...""

What do you mean by this? (Details please.)

Peter
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Well if I were to think of one part of vegas as a tape recorder say, it would need 1 row on the patchbay that were tape recorder outputs, and those probably half normalled to a row of console line inputs. Youd be able to take those direct outs and do whatever you want with them, PLUS theyre also going to the channels on the console. Or I guess you could think of the outputs as direct outs instead of tape recorder outs, maybe a better analogy. You could do whatever you want with those direct outs, and they could be pre or post fx( maybe the DI could even be a " plugin" in the plug in chainer!so you could choose when it tapped the signal) pre or post fader, etc...BUT that audio would still also go to the consoles regular busses also, allowing you to send to fx, or do anything else you wanted. You could be mixing on an analog console and a digital one at the same time!

Open in Cool Edit Pro. Go to 'Edit' then to 'Convert Sample Type'. Under 'Channels' choose mono.

Actually the ability to route to more than 1 bus would allow you to accomplish this same task, and would be more useful.

For now you could select ALL tracks due a "duplicate" tracks, then route all the duplicate tracks to another buss. Pretty easy to accomplish, I counted a total of 6 mouse clicks/3 steps.

<<For now you could select ALL tracks due a "duplicate" tracks, then route all the duplicate tracks to another buss. Pretty easy to accomplish, I counted a total of 6 mouse clicks/3 steps. >>

True but then you have double the amount of tracks, correct? To me this would be incredibly cumbersome and of course this also doubles the amount of CPU power previously used by the tracks. Obviously I would only be doing this to a few mono tracks (not all tracks) but I think its important to continue to make the point that from my perspective this is a *basic* design/function limitation in Vegas. However, in the meantime, thanks for your suggestion Red and I will definitely give a try. ;-)

drbam

I totally agree.