Oh bugger, so WVG has a personal vendetta against me (yawn).

I think we've met before on another msg board and I may have argued some of his insipid comments and points he posted before - hence the personal nature of his threats and plain bullsh*t due to his obvious frustration of the bebunking on another board.

I'm having a tough time understanding why he would take SOOOO personally my rant to SF as for the failure to provide CDarch burning to those who should have had it many versions and upgrades prior (CDA/SF5/VA2).

How does this affect HIM? or his usage of VV3? Only the doctors (I hope) he's visiting might be able to clear these things up. Wellbutrin? Increase the dosage?

But yer right I didn't notice... Where did that "muzzle joed" post go anyway? It was quite amusing viewing the "power and vicious fury" of a moron.

Just blow him off. My points STILL stand and is voiced to SF no matter what spite this kid throws up.

JoeD

I've seen discussion of this issue on another board. I for one would have followed through with suit against iqsoft.
The question of whether it is a "new product" could have easily been proven, so sometimes complacency gets the better of us.

To add, we're talking about a product designed and maintained by a VERY small company (1-5 guys if I recall). This is SF and CDA burning is NOT new technology for them. CDA was supported, dropped, then re-supported. This doesn't justify a new "upgrade" in my eyes (although the other features can be argued as such).

It takes very little energy to speak your mind on a msg board btw.

JoeD

As stated - We are trying to help SoFo (God I hope they still read this after the stuff in here!) with their marketing because we believe that they are making commercial mistakes which are hurting the customer and themselves. That's why we are "whining".
As regards CDA - You've seen what it can do in VV3 - the interface and the ability to place markers and non-destructive editing to fade tracks into each other is what I use the most. I know of no other s/w that can do this. If another company had this technology, a lot of these guys wouldn't be having this conversation - we have better things to do!

Joey, explain why you seem incapable of defending your postion with facts and much prefer the juvenile insults. Adults know when they've lost. Little boys engage in name calling. Hear everyone laughing at you?

It isn't personal, no, I've never engaged you elsewhere, however I've seen fools like you before many times. You're acting like a jerk, you've been warned and you still continue. I would treat anyone acting like you the same way. You are a distruption. Posting to the forums isn't your right, it is a privilege. You have tried and failed to get others to join in your bitter attacks again the host of these forums. The only question that remains when, not if the host kicks your sorry ass off. Let me be the first to say bye-bye. I'm doing it now, because my guess your remaining time here is short. In fact I wonder what SoFo is waiting for.

I'm not laughing at him. Don't speak for me. He made some valid points.

enough is enough.
defend a position? why bother with you?why would anyone deal with YOU with this? other than baiting and whimpering to sf, you mean nothing to this thread. nothing.

do you understand what ignore this user means? it means they can't see your posts. i'm going to have to agree on two counts now, you ARE a moron.
i'm actually waiting for sf to boot YOU off. it looks like you're baiting isn't working and i don't see any others that are rallying to your cause. shoot, I would kick you off for acting like a bratty little snot in every post and voting members off boards.

i search joed posts, where are you getting this anger from? what is wrong with you? why are you taking this personally? how does this relate to you? I happen to be one of those who agree with this post on the cda debacle. now get a life and leave this thread. stop trying to cause catfights here.

Read very s l o w l y icrain, this forum is NOT the place to air gripes about SoFo products, what future products will be, have been upgraded , won't be upgraded, etc.. Nor is it the place to give "suggestions" to SoFo on the merits of their marketing plans or what you like or dislike about them.

You agree with Joey. Fine. So write an email, make a phone call or fill out the web based form. That's where you can bitch all you want. This fourm is for people to help each other with Vegas Video. Period. If you want to write about CDA then go to that forum and distrupt it. You are out of order here every bit as much as Joey is. Anyone with more than two brain cells knows it.

IMHO JoeD is welcome to post his thoughts here whether this forum is the most appropriate place for them or not. Want to beg for renewed support of VA, go right ahead. What I can't understand is JoeD's motivation for insult ("let's cut the crap"), his insulting tone toward SF (whether they've incorporated each and every one of the items on our wish list or not, we all have to admit that they've released one pretty good piece of software with VV30), and his surprise at some of the reactions to his less than courteous approach.

There is nothing in your posts, JoeD, that could not have been just as effective if expressed in a civil tone. It's your tone, Joe, not your content that has folks calling for you to be banned.

And, while I suppose it's ok for you to presume that you have the credentials to offer SF unsolicited corporate guidance, you might also measure out a bit of respect for SF when, having taken note of your comments and considered them, they respond with a decision which, though not to your liking, is totally within their jurisdiction and totally out of yours.

It's really that simple. You don't run SF, SF does. Rant on if you wish. I shall be ignoring your posts from now on.

Caruso

Do you ever actually record anything? Do you ever create anything? Or are you just a writer now? I couldn't possibly read all those posts but it sure makes me wonder what the heck you're actually doing with the music making products? Just curious...

www.joedoriamusic.com

Just finished a CD (Vegas) called The Place To Be.
description?: it jimmy smith meets Dr. Lonnie smith type jazz. Hammond trio.

I got a nice old "jimmy" sound on it..real dirty ;p
Very little compression as this is jazz and we want to maximize dynamics. I'm happy.

And right now e have another CD in the works called "chewy" (pop/rock/electronica). Again, in Vegas.

I mainly gig nights, record by day but am real picky with clientel because I don't want to eat into practice time and recording my own sh*t. Mainly friends who run the gamut from jazz to avant-garde but players who practice their a$$ off.

(used to be a systems lab manager for years by day but takin' a hiatus :)

Not that any of this is any of your business.

JoeD

While I don't necessarily care for the way JoeD presents himself here, I think I can understand his sentiments, at least somewhat.

When I first found that I had a choice between Cakewalk's Pro Audio and Sonic Foundry's Vegas as a multitrack recording program, I went with Sonic Foundry, even though Pro Audio had been in development far longer (this was back when Vegas was version 1.0), because I figured Cakewalk was midi with audio tacked on, and Sonic Foundry was pure, unadulterated audio. And that was more important. I could use crippled soundcard-bundle versions of Cakewalk to get my midi stuff done, but Vegas was the real audio workhorse that I chose, mainly because Sonic Foundry made its name on audio, particularly with Sound Forge.

Now, however, we're looking at Vegas not as an audio multitrack program, but an all-in-one solution for audio/video production. In a sense, Sonic Foundry has "broadened the horizons" for Vegas. But in so doing, the focus on the initial purpose of the program - an audio multitrack editor - has diminished. Perfectly understandable, of course... there's only so much focus to go around, and the more you share it with other features, the more thinly it has to be spread. It's the price of expanding.

More importantly, I'm starting to sense that this is indicative of Sonic Foundry as a whole. The Sonic Foundry website is a dead giveaway. Where once Sonic Foundry was a top name when it came to professional-level audio software, the company now identifies itself as a "Rich Media Solutions" provider (forgive me the only intentionally snide comment I intend to make in this post, but that phrase reeks of corporatespeak, and all that that implies). That's fine, if that's the road Sonic Foundry wants to take. I wish they'd do more to clear up the confusion on such issues, but they haven't been dishonest about it. The fact of the matter is simply that they are no longer the company that caters primarily to audio professionals. They're not kicking us out the door or anything, but they ARE moving on to other, new clients and hoping we don't leave.

Case in point: The latest upgrade to Vegas Video 3.0 - very little focus was put on new features for audio. Instead, all of the major upgrades were to the video portion of the program, which, no offense, does me and others concerned only with audio absolutely no good. The question we'd been left with was, "Is this the future for Vegas? Is the true focus an all-in-one video editing solution, rather than the audio multitrack program it originally began as?" The answer, if I've read SonicEPM's post in this thread correctly, is "Yes."

(I would like to thank SF for giving us that answer, by the way. I'm not entirely happy about it, but I do have more respect for the company that is honest with me, and I'll be more willing to give them my business in the future, if I have a need for the type of products or services they provide.)

That's the real frustration many of us audio-only types are experiencing here. It's not that we didn't get an upgrade to Vegas Audio when one was given to Vegas Video. It's that the focus of the company and its flagship software is no longer primarily on audio, as it once was. I'm a musician. I live and breathe music, and video does me little good. So it's a little frustrating to see that the program I've purchased and followed the development of has become something other than what I originally bought. I'm not screaming for a refund - I bought the program for what it did at the time, and it did what I wanted, and I'm not complaining. I'm just disappointed with where it's headed, is all. And I think when you get right down to it, that's what JoeD and others are really upset about, too.

I know a lot of you guys still really like Vegas, and that's cool. I think it's a fantastic program for what it does. But what it does is no longer what I need.

JoeD, I would seriously like to suggest that you contact Cakewalk and take them up on their competitive upgrade offer to Sonar. That's what I intend to do - because Cakewalk, at least right now, is still as focused on audio production as they have always been. And it sure sounds to me like that's really what you want - to do business with a company that caters to your specific needs. If Sonic Foundry doesn't do that anymore - and honestly, I don't think they do - then it's time to give serious thought to doing business with someone else who does.

- Caiwyn

I agree with Caiwyn about the problem of finding focus for a product.

Personally, I now use both Vegas and Sonar.
Vegas is for Video, complete with a rich set of tools for crafting my multitrack sound tracks within a video project.

Sonar is for pure music projects, with multitrack audio plus a rich set of tools for incorporating MIDI and Acid-like Loops within a single environment.

It was a pain to have to buy and learn two products -- but in my opinion, either of those products would be diluting itself too much if it tried to incoporate fully the main-focus of the other.
BTW I first started using Vegas before it became Vegas VIDEO. But now that the evolution has happened, and I've watched Vegas beef itself up for video and Cakewalk (Sonar) beef itself up for all-kinds-of-audio-related-stuff, I'm okay with using both, choosing one for video projects and one for audio.

Hello,

I agree with Caiwyn as well, And have started to learn other Audio programs, just to cover myself if Sonic Foundry does not continue to upgrade the Audio portion of Vegas.I would like to see the effect automation as well as alot of other posters I've seen in here. I would also like to see a full Audio Upgrade added to Vegas, I understand that the SF Video Codec was a substantial upgrade, to justify the Video upgrade, but I still think the Audio could use a big boost! I like many others was under the impression that an Audio Upgrade was comming at the start of this year. But I guess that was a Rumor as SF put it.
So I too am starting to learn other Audio products, because the other companies are staying up with the Audio Race better than SF.
Sorry SF but I too am upset over the NO AUDIO UPGRADE!!
But I hope you will listem to your customers and get the Audio Portion of Vagas up to speed with the competition.

See ya, Rockit

whoa i wasn't expecting that :) youre full of surprises.

you must be an old school man, i don't see many organ players here, you know how to play. nice site and great music i love it. all in vegas huh?
what preamps did you use? mics?

so decrink (hahaha) looks like he kicked you to the curb. so how about posting your stuff decrink. or how about wvg posting his as well?

what a great thread

i think the point of this is that customers already paid for CDA and it would've been the right thing to supply va2 users at least that.

I don't think I got 'kicked to the curb', just gave the guy an opportunity to show that he is actually into the products he complains about. So now maybe others see another side of him and realize...YOU HAVE TO EARN THE RIGHT TO BE A CRITIC.

And for not being 'any of my business' he seemed happy to reply.

>>The master buss? Ok - don't include it. Remember it came about due to VA2 users suggestions.

You know Joe, you keep saying this and saying this. That is not really the reason.

I wrote the code for this personally. I added it for one very specific reason: So that rendered files sounded like what you heard when you hit play. (I wont go into the details, but it basically had to do with Vegas being able to control the entire gain stage with worrying about the gain stage(s) used externally.)


(Ok, one other reason I added them: I wanted it as it is the way I like to work.)

Oh, and one other thing. It is a significant feature. Why? Because people did find it useful.

(I can hear the flames now "What you don't listen to user suggestsion?" )

Peter