A good example of marketing hype. Don't just take my word for it. Read the actual PDF file straight from Sony. Then don't forget to read the fine print.

http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/pdf/sony_pvm-14l1.pdf

Sony markets the PVM 0L-1 as a "professional monitor". Yet the specs say the resolution is only 250 lines. If I read the PDF correctly at best it accepts S video as the highest signal input, not offering DVI or component input.

I'm just curious Spot, how can you say the picture is very good? You've always held the position that you need ultra high resolution in your external monitor to make "professional" grade adjustments. So now I'm confussed. Either you're agreeing with what I said all along and that you can get 'very good' results using a lessor monitor or very good means something different to you than me. If that's it, I wish you would explain.

Please clarify. What's your opinion on:

Is a S video input "better" or as good as a component or digital input?

Are you now saying resolution matters, but not as much as you previous insisited?

Reading the whole PDF file I didn't see a single mention of a blue switch on these "professional" monitors. If you have first hand knowledge on the model in question does it have a blue switch, if not, then how can it be a "professional monitor"?

Billy,

You're just trying to start another fight and this is the very same type of behavior about which you were complaining in a thread that you started yesterday.

First of all, while resolution is very important, it isn't everything, particularly in a 9" monitor. Image accuracy and rugged construction are also important. Professional monitors normally have better/additional circuitry not found on a consumer televisions that ensures consistent performance day in and day out. You'll note that the PVM-L1 series of monitors have a "beam-current feedback circuit" that corrects white-balance drift. This isn't "marketing hype." They can also be switched between 16:9 and 4:3, which is something you can't do on a consumer TV.

This 9" Sony monitor has a dot pitch of .5mm and a bandwidth of 4mhz, which should translate to about 250 lines of resolution. More than adequate for its screen size and intended use. A 9" monitor is more for "field" use and the larger monitors are intended to be used for "production." You'll note that the 14" and 20" monirtors in the same series have an 8mhz bandwidth and 600 lines of resolution. Since the DV format is limited to just over 500 lines of resolution, either of the larger monitors would be perfect for DV.

An S-Video input is much better than composite and not quite as good as component inputs. I can easily see the difference between S-Video and composite, but I have to look closely to see the difference between S-Video and component. The difference is certainly there, it just isn't as dramatic as S-video vs. composite.

John

There are very few professionally graded monitors in the 9" size or smaller that offer greater than 300 lines. Even the high end Ikegami's are only 300 lines. Packed that small, that's quite acceptable.
Since it's the pro Trinitron system vs their consumer, it's also balanced guns with feedback, so it stays in calibration even when it's been on all day in the hot sun.
This monitor also has true widescreen, and looping.

Of course resolution matters, but in a 9" screen, there is only so much that can be seen.
No, Y/C or S-Vid (same thing) isn't better than component input. It's better than composite. It's still quite a lot better than the 99.00 monitor or 399.00 monitor from Walmart or Best Buy. It's also a Field Production Monitor that's designed for composing shots in the field and giving instant feedback on a shot, not designed for use in a suite, although many, including me, use a field monitor in a suite. I happen to use a 14" in my personal room, but we have a 19" in our main room. I use 9" in the field, like many folks. In fact, we have two of this very same monitor. It's likely the most widely used FPM there is. It's in a lot of trucks. It's also in the same price and quality grade as the JVC I've recommended many times.
I've never held you need ultra high resolution. It's just one of the many, many things that set industrial grade monitors apart from televisions from Best Buy. No, it doesn't have blue gun. It also doesn't have underscan. But it's still a stable, and industry acceptable monitor, and is a standard. S.T.A.N.D.A.R.D. is a pretty important word in the biz.

You've really become little but a troll on these boards lately, Billyboy. 15 year-olds have better behavior than you do lately.

Here we go again. Let me just give you guys a famous quote:

"The future sucks. Change it." "I'm pretty cool Beavis, but I cannot change the future."

John

"You've really become little but a troll on these boards lately, Billyboy. 15 year-olds have better behavior than you do lately"

I nicely ask you some questions and the above is your response. I asked so we can maybe finally resolve the external monitor issue or at least come to some middle ground and you prefer to engage in more name calling. Is name calling what "professional" means to you Douglas?

The reality is when your OPINION is challenged and you are asked to back it up with facts YOU DON'T LIKE IT and more often than not you go into a huff and the above name calling is typical of you. I simply asked WHY you think something is better. You and others that love to call yourselves "professional" rarely if even backup your responses with any factual information. You just spout your opinion again.

There is little factual information you provided. You repeat marketing hype like balanced guns with feedback. My guess is you haven't a clue what that's suppose to mean, you just saw it in the PDF file, so you try to pass if off as important like saying oh this model in a lot of trucks, others use it, I guess I should. You then go into some double talk about it being a "standard" which according to you is impotant in the biz.

I thought just maybe you finally saw the light and were pulling back from your often shouted position where you always make a big deal over higher resolutions in external monitors, they should have a blue gun switch and of course support underscan. I won't embarrass you and dig out the countless threads where you say those kind of things.

I simply don't understand how you now say a monitor that does none of the things you previous said were critical can give "very goodf" results. That's what you said. Rather then explaining how that can be instead you try to blow it all off and just make another meaningless comparision to some Best Buy tv and pretend nobody noticed you take opposite sides of the issue when it suits you. I guss that also part of your being so "professional".

BB,
it's very simple really. A 9" monitor is designed for field use. No point in pushing the res any higher as you'd need your nose on the glass before you'd see the difference. We have some very expensive field monitors, more expensive than a 14" studio monitor. The extra costs comes from all the fancy tricks used to push the brightness high enough so you can still see the thing in daylight. It uses a CRT to light an LCD screen, wierd idea but it works. Also many field monitors will run from batteries, either by plugging NP1s into them or from external 12 Volts.

I think the topic title explains it very nicely "Production Monitor"

Also as pointed out production monitors are built to take a lot of knocking about, they don't even have ventilation slots in the top like the average TV so if the thing gets rained on you're less likely to get zapped.

Bob.

BB: "Is name calling what "professional" means to you Douglas?"

Hmmm, Billy, didn't you call me a "jackass" just yesterday when you couldn't think of an intelligent response to a few questions and well-documented observations I had about your behavior?

Look, this thread was about how to hook up a monitor. Nothing more. It was a simple question and the question was answered and answered correctly. Then Mr. Angry decided to do a little "thread crapping." DAMNIT, BILLY, JUST STOP IT!!!! Get some professional help. Oh, right, you hate professionals...

John

Yep. Hence the troll observation above - Thread Crapping = Troll

Like Jack Nicholson said in A Few Good Men,

"You want the truth?" snaps Colonel Jessup (Jack Nicholson). "You can't handle the truth!"

The actual Thread Crapping = "You've really become little but a troll on these boards lately, Billyboy. 15 year-olds have better behavior than you do lately."

...Spot

Its pretty damn sad you can't even ask a few politely worded questions without getting attacked.

BB - it's too bad you can't state your opinion without attacking others.

The question was answered by DSE, Billy I dont know what your deal is but it it getting old and tired and screwing up threads right and left. Take a break, go out to eat, go to the beach, see a few movies, go to the mountains, visit the family, anything !!!!
When you get back please sharef your knowledge without stirring things up all the time man. Once in a while was worth a laugh for me , but day after day after day, like groundhog day around here.

an opinion

The irony. If I were to reseach all the people posting above and listed all the times the same people over and over attacked me, it would fill hundreds of lines. Its always the SAME people. I've noticed. It doesn't bother me, I'm simply pointing out it is always the same handful. Always.

If I wanted to be nasty I could have posted from the dozens of threads in bold text what Spot said about external monitors for all to see. All the times he said you got to have underscan. All the times he said its no good unless you have high enough resolution to see clearly, etc.. I didn't do that. I simply asked if he modifed his view and what he means by "very good" result using a "pro" monitor that does none of the things he's claimed for years is necessary. It was asking for clarification. For my effort, I get called a troll.

I'm getting tired of apologizing for my personality. I've explained many times that I come from a auditing background. I'm use to in your face, toe to toe "discussions" with the other guy trying to talk you down and impose his view. Once I form an opinion you're going to have to PROVE to me you're right and I'm wrong. If you simply spout more opinion and evade the issue you won't get anywhere. I'm sorry, but when I'm right, I'm right and I don't back down.

While all forums, newsgroups to some extent protect their "heros" when they think they are getting attacked, here its more like circle the wagons and start shooting and ask questions later. Honest, I don't dislike Douglas, we have a strained relationship, his choosing, not my doing. Stil that doesn't make him off limits. If I see him saying something that doesn't make a lot of sense or I have a different view, why can't I express it? Douglas is only human. He's made his share of mistakes and said some pretty off the wall things...we all have.

So yes, I was surprised to see Douglas saying not just one thing, but three things about external monitors that's 180 degrees from what he's always said before. So I simply asked what's up with that. Of course in this forum which is closer to a shrine for one guy you can't tug on Superman's cape, he gets mad.

Douglas is in a class by himself. He's the only one here that thinks he knows everything about everything. Me coming from a background where I've routinely dethroned such self-important types on a regular basis, there's sure to be some fireworks some time. In the grand scheme of things it really isn't that bad that you have disagreements in forums. You may actually learn more when people have different views. It is damn funny how quick people rush to defend Douglas, when he's the one calling names.

IT'S A 9" FIELD MONITOR

Good grief!

I'm sorry, but when I'm right, I'm right and I don't back down.

So you admit your personality is the problem? That's a the first step is admitting you have a problem.

Look Ahab, every one else on this forum is getting tired of you trying to re-write Moby Dick one post at a time.

Billy,

You are so freeking delusional it isn't even funny. You're always saying how you provide reality checks for the forum. Here's one for you: Look around, there is NO ONE inhabiting your reality, but you. Haven't you figured out that NO ONE agrees with your take on things. NO ONE. Read the messages. NO ONE supports your vendetta against Spot. NO ONE.

Look, we all defend Spot because he knows what he's talking about and he has proven that over and over and over again. Unlike you, he has a lot of fans here on the forum, not because of who he is or what he has done, but because he has helped countless people here on the forum with quick, straight, accurate answers to their questions. (The fact that he has a few of Emmys and Grammys doesn't hurt his credibility either. I don't see any awards on your mantle and I didn't see you training the ABC Nightline guys how to use Vegas.) Trying to answer Vegas questions was something that you USED to do before you became all-consumed with your blatant jealously and hatred of Spot (and myself.) Dude, seriously, get some help.

BB: "Douglas is in a class by himself."

Yes, he certainly is and you're all alone in a class by yourself, too. Unfortunately, the classes are at opposite ends of the video production spectrum.

Like it or not, Spot is the de-facto "top dog" here and he has EARNED that position. I haven't noticed anyone here that has a problem with that and I don't believe anyone here thinks he needs to be "dethroned" Give it up.

John

Ouch. I'd hate to think I'm on any kind of a "throne" or am "top dog" or anything like that. I just (normally) like this community a lot. I've always enjoyed the Vegas communities, whether it's this one, the DMN, DVInfo.net, or DVXUsers.com sites. I enjoy helping people with my favorite software, and by now, I think most folks who've been around for a while or have met me in person, have experienced my enthusiasm for Vegas.

[edit] in the plaintive words of Rodney King..."never mind, it was a dumb thought that a hopeful man once had"

Billyboy,

At face value, you seem to be an embittered old man with severly diminished self-esteem and a hungry ego. A condition which manifests itself in your continued attacks (either direct or thinly veiled) on respected members of this forum. Your "direct" approach with people is little more than self-aggrandizing pomposity, which can also be an indicator of self-esteem and inferiority issues.
Again, this is only my intial observation. I'm certain that a few hours in person with you would confirm you are an intolerable jackass.

Billy Goat Gruff,

Regardless of the quality of the monitor, that is the monitor he has. Are you suggesting he should go out and buy a tv at walmart?

You're making an argument out of nothing. There really was nothing to argue about and yet you're still trying to argue. You need to take a break for a while. You're stuck on nothing.

Rob Mack

Geez... how many of you can kiss Spot's butt at the same time? This could be a world record. Someone quick get a camera.

For the record it was Spot again that started more childish name calling. I'm sick and tired of his constant abuse and disrespect. None of you guttless wonders have the balls to call him on it. It seems its also ok if Spot does a 180 on his position on external monitors and oh my gosh nobody dare ask why. Some of you are so pathetic if Spot said black was white you all would chime in and agree. This place should be reanamed the Spot butt kissers club. Hey, if its not too late mabe they can set up a butt kissing booth behind a curtain at the NBA and you all can line up and file past taking turns paying your respects. It would be so "professional" of you. Bring you own knee pads.

I'm happy to see that when I block certain users, the entire thread below them is also blocked. This is a great improvement. Thanks Sony!

Rob Mack

Billy,

When you were in the creative, fast-paced, exciting world of "professional" accounting, did you also assume your clients were all as stupid and naive as you evidently think we are (as well as the folks you used to flame regularly on DVDRHelp and the HTML NewsGroup)? Then again, maybe we are idiots for tolerating and responding to your endless rants on external monitors, "professionals", and accounting war stories.

You accuse Spot (or "Douglas", as you now refer to him) of attacking you after you so OBVIOUSLY baited him (and everyone else who sees through you like a window) with your "button pushing". Are you capable of posting without using the word "PROFESSIONAL" in quotes?!?! Yeah, tons of people are coming to your defense. Why don't you call your friend Adoni and see if he needs help editing his next slide show?

Now, I just hope that kdi001 gets to see the answer to his question before SONY deletes another one of your hissy-fit thread craps.

DSE: "Ouch. I'd hate to think I'm on any kind of a "throne" or am "top dog" or anything like that."

Geez Spot, I said "dog" not "god." LOL

John