Crossfading an edit where there's no time, tips?

MikeLV wrote on 8/15/2016, 6:18 PM
Are there any Vegas tricks for making a cross fade between two events when there isn't a lot of time to cross fade them? In other words, someone talking makes a mistake, but doesn't give a second or two before starting again. If I cross fade the two events together, it happens way too fast and the spoken words run into each other. Hoping for another trick like that timecode fx from the previous thread =D

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ushere wrote on 8/15/2016, 6:28 PM
freeze frame length of crossfade
MikeLV wrote on 8/15/2016, 6:41 PM
Hmm how to do that? I looked in the help file and there is an entry for freeze frame and event envelopes comes up but I don't see how that can help me here
rmack350 wrote on 8/15/2016, 7:23 PM
Bury the cut under b-roll?
MikeLV wrote on 8/15/2016, 7:24 PM
there's no b-roll, it's just an instructional video, talking head, who talks too much and doesn't know how to pause after making a mistake
farss wrote on 8/15/2016, 8:30 PM
[I]"there's no b-roll, it's just an instructional video, talking head, who talks too much and doesn't know how to pause after making a mistake"[/I]

Then you're pretty much out of luck. You really need to put on the director's hat, grab the megaphone and start shouting "cut".

Failing that then try this:

Cut so the audio is OK. Always cut audio at the start of the next word, that distracts from any shift in room or intonation etc,,
Then turn Off Event Grouping. Put a cut in vision in the first and second clip a few seconds each side of the cut and then time stretch those clips few frames. That should give you enough frames to create your dissolve. The audio will be briefly out of sync but not for long enough for anyone to notice.

Another trick might be to use a flash to white instead of a dissolve, 6 frames of white was trendy once.

Just remember next time to bring the megaphone. I usually get the talent to restart at the sentence before they stumbled.

Bob.

[edit] oh and don't forget to turn Event Grouping back On when done.
Nick Hope wrote on 8/16/2016, 12:14 AM
Jump cuts have become increasingly popular, especially in vlog style videos online where there isn't time for lots of retakes. Just chop out the mistakes/pauses and butt the clips together on the timeline. Might be a life saver in some situations. But unless there are plenty of them, and they're done with a certain panache, they'll just look like badly edited video.
Grazie wrote on 8/16/2016, 1:24 AM
I've had success with a similar issue by lowering the Cursor speed from the default 1 to 0.5 or even 0.25. This drops the rate of words being spoken. This allows me to Tap the M key for a Marker, Split > Extend the Visual by making a Sub, switching off Looping and dragging out the Event and carefully dissolving through. Done carefully, and back at full speed, the jump cut is often indiscernible sometimes undetectable. Oh yeah, don't forget to turn back to Default speed!

Another thought is that if it is appropriate could you FreezeFrame and plop a text graphic of what is being said?

Yup, been here before and learnt that it's my responsibility to get what I want, after all it's what I'm being paid for and my reputation on the line and it will make the Talent look better and generally be better received and get asked to come back.

G
Chienworks wrote on 8/16/2016, 5:57 AM
One other option is to do a very short fade or even a jump cut on the audio, and then with auto ripple and event grouping turned off drag the edges of the video over each other. That way you can get a nice crossfade of whatever length you like with the video while still retaining a good audio edit.

Note that if the amount you cut out is short enough and the length of the crossfade long enough, you will probably end up fading some of the video into itself, but so what? The audience will only know what it hears, and won't know that the lips in the crossfaded video may be repeating some words.
flyingski wrote on 8/16/2016, 3:40 PM
with no b roll how about a graphic that runs a few seconds before the audio cut to a few seconds after? Might be less obvious than a one second patch and would give some variety to the one shot of talking head.
MikeLV wrote on 8/16/2016, 5:25 PM
Complex stuff... not shooting a hollywood epic here so I'll just deal with it but I Think the best suggestion was to direct the talent as to what to do during the shoot, makes it a lot easier to edit.
imaginACTION_films wrote on 8/16/2016, 6:43 PM
Good advice above - one more trick is to take one of the shots, ie before or after the glitch, and use Event Pan/Crop to reframe it. Reframing helps you get away with slight changes in expression, head movement etc. It's not magic but it can sometimes soften a glitch.

When shooting talking heads I commonly reframe after each question (I rarely include the actual questions - just the answers, so I can reframe on the fly while the question is being asked.) Makes the cuts seem more natural.

Did a lot of filming school teacher interviews over the past decade. Had to get adept at removing the word "So". Anyone else noticed how many teachers start each sentence with "So"?
David