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cosmo wrote on 2/26/2004, 5:19 PM
man that is soooo cool! You need to send me some detailed pics sometime...you've got me email I think. So the whole room is baffled by some amount of air?
vitalforce wrote on 2/26/2004, 6:22 PM
Re: Spot and age: A man can't give advice on how to walk until his own knees hurt. Hoowah!
Nat wrote on 2/26/2004, 6:39 PM
Not as impressing as Spot's but I'm still proud :)

http://www.studioimaginaire.com/nat/studio.jpg
RichMacDonald wrote on 2/26/2004, 11:15 PM
Ok Zippy. You can laugh but you have to show yours too.
PeterWright wrote on 2/27/2004, 1:04 AM
>"Quite nice, especially when you need to go somewhere to scream. No one can hear you."

Imagine - a special room for when Zippy posts ;)
BE0RN wrote on 2/27/2004, 8:04 AM
Cosmo--

That MP3 sounds great!! I'm mainly a video guy, but I know I wouldn't be able to come up with that kind of stuff, so MAJOR PROPS!!! (FWIW)
Grazie wrote on 2/27/2004, 8:40 AM
. .. go here and you can see ME . .trying to work out Boris Graffiti . . AHAH!

2 for the Price of One .. Grazie AND his Studio ..

. . go to this site . .Thankks Kellsie . .

http://www.vegasusers.com/testbench/files/

. . and pick off this file . .yeah?

grazie-bg3_missing_audio_1a_new_track_512_kps_.wmv

Grazie . . .
kosins wrote on 2/27/2004, 7:17 PM
Hi Spot, and all.......
I'm an infrequent poster, everyday lurker.
I really like this thread, this forum, and I thank you all for for the "words of wisdom" that passes through here daily.

Spot,
Earlier, you said,
"Our tracking room is a floating room with sand filled cinderblock".

I'm "in the middle" of contructing a new video lab and recording studio.
I had already planned on 12 inch block walls for the "studio" section, as well as incorporating the two existing 12' x 12' areas (isolation rooms) as a part of it.

Your comment... "sand filled"..... got my attention.
Is there an acoustical, functional reason for that? (I'm assuming the main reason is "not letting the soundwaves from the monitors" even having a chance at "getting past" the mass of the wall.)

Thanks.

I look forward to posting a few pictures soon.

John


shawnm wrote on 2/27/2004, 8:33 PM
It's more of an overgrown workstation than a studio - but it allows me to work at home (sometimes). :-)



Shawn
Spot|DSE wrote on 2/27/2004, 9:09 PM
John,
The industry standard for a floating slab, is to use sand in the cinderblocks. These days, cinderblock in a studio is rarely mortared, but more often masticked together. Build 4-5 courses, then pour playground or other fine sand into the wall/cinderblock hulls. If you want to mail me off line, I'd be happy to help a little. This is what I hold a degree in, acoustic design. There are many things you can do in a new build that are worth the small pennies it costs during installation.
The soundwaves will EASILY pass the mass of the walls. It's a combination of isolation, STC coefficient, and damping. The sand has a huge damping factor. But that's not enough. You need a cell structure for it to work. Otherwise, you'll be able to pound on one side of the cinderblock wall, and hear it (and feel it) on the other. Have you sliced your slab yet? That's reasonably important. If you haven't, and haven't started building the walls, then you'll want to get a contractor in there to check to see if you can. That alone makes a whopping 25dB worth of STC reduction.
busterkeaton wrote on 2/27/2004, 10:28 PM
I don't know Grazie, you would think, someone who can work with the audio tools of Vegas would have muted that loug cough in the middle. ;)
Grazie wrote on 2/27/2004, 11:17 PM
BK! LOL .. . HA Ha . . nice one . . so where is the volumne knob in Vegas? Been using this s/w for 14 months, and I still can't find how to adjust the audio levels . . BK, could you do me a Tutorial please? And maybe throw in a series on "Irony - What it Means in the 21st Century?" - thanks!

Regards,

Grazie
kentwolf wrote on 2/27/2004, 11:57 PM
Grazie:

Hey...it's not a football...it's a SOCCER ball! :)

Kent
USA

Grazie wrote on 2/28/2004, 1:57 AM
Kentwolf . . . . . read and weep laddie . . . ah ha ha . ..

No my dear boy. If you are referring to the oval ball THAT is called a Rugby Ball .. . and it is played by hard mean who don't wear padding or motor car grilles over their faces; play for longer than 15 seconds at as time; play 40 minutes "straight-off each way and use the same players both in attack and defense.

Ahem . .this is how it went . .

1 - In the beginning there was a a game called football - Nearly 1000 years old . . . something about the Romans here too!!

2 - Rugby started in mid 19th Century when a Guyser called Web-Ellis picked up the "football" and ran with it . .HAHA . .silly boy . ..

3 - Went over to the STATES as Rugby. Wasn't picked-up . . Renamed as "Football"

4 - Meanwhile back in the UK The Football (RoundBALL!) Association was formed to regularise many things . . least of which was the concept that the "feature" of handling the ball could only be done with the "foot" . .unless you were the goalie OR you were "throwing" from the sidelines

5 - Taken some of the letters from Association this "game" became to be affectionately named as SOCcer . .was picked-up and then "owned" by our working class as THIER own game, as opposed to the game of Rugby, which had become the ownership of the "public" schools .. yer wanna know about Public Skools? Well that's another story .. surfice it to say that Rugby became the game of "choice" of the well-off and not a game that yer actaual working class bloke would play .. . .but .. this has all changed .. .

http://www.wordorigins.org/wordors.htm#soccer

Soccer
Soccer is an abbreviation for Association Football. The Football Association was formed in London in October 1863 when representatives of eleven clubs and schools met in an attempt to standardize the rules of the game. One of the rules prohibited the carrying of the ball, a rule that would lead to the Rugby-oriented clubs leaving the Association several months later. The name Association Football was coined to distinguish it from Rugby.

By 1889, the abbreviation socca' was in use, and the spelling soccer had made its appearance by 1895.

http://www.bartleby.com/65/so/soccer.html

http://www.bartleby.com/65/ru/rugby.html

... Grazie
Grazie wrote on 2/28/2004, 3:21 AM
Marquat - Sorry it took so long . .Is this the P{uppy you mean?

.. . something about changing batteries and DX7 here . .

http://www.math.uga.edu/~djb/dx7/list-archive/1999/99_04/99_04_27_Battery_longevity

http://www.thedx7.co.uk/

Any good?

Grazie
Spot|DSE wrote on 2/28/2004, 7:51 AM
Here is a link to a pretty good article on the MYTHS of soundproofing. Notice that at the top of the list is egg crate foam...And it doesn't even go into the fact that egg crate is illegal in most places, and it crumbles, dropping small bits of fluff and crap into your equipment. It also starts to stink after a year or so.
Randy Brown wrote on 2/28/2004, 8:55 AM
>>Notice that at the top of the list is egg crate foam<<
You know, I thought that all of those crates that my 1st band and I stapled all over the walls (of the 2 bedroom apartment they talked me into getting) didn't do any good. We just all convinced ourselves that the neighboring apartment tenants were just being jerks with all of their complaining. After all, something so hideous looking had to work, right. And it did resemble the real stuff they had on the walls at the 1/2" 8 track "studio" that we recorded all of our brilliant originals at....at $15 per hour, by God it better be the real stuff : )
Randy
AlexB wrote on 2/28/2004, 9:54 AM
@Marquat
Sounds like you have to take the DX7 apart, in spite of 'no user servicable parts inside'.

quote from Grazie's first link:
>>The expected (guaranteed?) shelf life of a lithium battery is 10 years,
so 14 ain't too bad. To be *really* sure, back all your patches off,
preferably to a RAM cartridge, and change the battery. It's a bit of a
pig to do since the PCB needs to come out, so you can't do it 'hot', ie.
with it powered up to prevent amnesia. However, there is a dodge, and
that is to use a 'supercap' as a temporary backup. These are 1F (yes -
one Farad) 5Volt capacitors, commonly used in the toy Casio synths to
allow you to change the D cells without losing the sequencer contents.

When you have the PCB out, connect the supercap *in series* with a 1k
ohm resistor (very important else it will 'short' the battery and you'll
lose the RAM contents anyhow) across the battery and leave for at least
an hour to charge it up. Then you can change the battery leaving the
supercap to hold the fort meanwhile.<<

Good luck!
Grazie wrote on 2/28/2004, 10:00 AM
. . I have absolutey NO idea what any of this means .. but even I thought . .Life's too short . . getting back to playing with colour compostions and flying saucers .. yipppeee. .. got 'em flying around me studio as we speak . .. zzzzrrroooo mm m there goes another one .. . . pppphphphphooorrg . ..an another . . .
SonyEPM wrote on 2/28/2004, 10:12 AM
No picture from Zippy?
Grazie wrote on 2/28/2004, 10:45 AM
Correct!
winrockpost wrote on 2/28/2004, 2:46 PM
------No picture from Zippy?
He is frantically contacting his "friends" in hope of a photo opportunity.
GaryKleiner wrote on 2/28/2004, 2:51 PM
I am going to pretend that Zippy's original request wasn't put so rudely and post this link to a shot of my studio .

Gary
kosins wrote on 2/28/2004, 2:52 PM
Spot,
Thanks for this info.
My "new" building is ample in size (about 18,000 square feet with 15 foot ceilings. It will house our showroom, warehouse, and I've alloted about 3200 square feet for my "fun stuff". The building itself is totally unfinished inside.
I have a lot of work to do, in a very short time.

In the interest of speed, we will begin tomorrow to erect 6" thick standard partition walls that will separate the different areas (I need to move our existing showroom by the middle of April, before our busy season starts)
Later (not much), I wiil build walls for the studio area of cinderblock right alongside the existing partition walls. Do you think an "air gap" between the two walls will help much, or should I consider a filler material that will also help dampen sound?

The portion of the concrete slab I'm putting the studio in 16 inches (yes---16) thick.

Thanks again.

John

Here is what I'm working on:
http://www.kosins.com/newhome.htm