Does anyone use Boris (that didn't use it before)?

johnmeyer wrote on 5/5/2004, 2:52 PM

I just got around to installing the Boris LTD application that came with 5.0. Vegas 5.0 continues to have terrible titling capability, and so I was hoping this would provide some help.

I am sure that Boris, both this limited version and the full-fledged version, is a fantastic product, but the learning curve looks pretty steep, and I am not tempted to proceed. I might add that I have spent twenty-five years in the software business and I am therefore quite comfortable with complicated software. I therefore am sure that I could learn this program. But, it will be a lot of time, and it doesn't look easy.

Which brings me to my question: Is anyone actually using the Boris LTD program for real work? I only am interested in those that never used Boris before and are only using the program that came with Vegas 5.0. I am in no way knocking Boris, other than to say that it is a completely different program from Vegas and has very few user interface ideas in common

My contention is that virtually no one who didn't already use Boris is going to be able to get over the learning curve, and absolutely no one that already owns Boris will have any use for this "junior" version. In short, my message to Sony is that Vegas still lacks decent titling capability, and this marketing inspired band-aid does not in any way satisfy the VERY important need for better titling.

I would strongly suggest that Sony add their own titling enhancements in a future release.

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JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/6/2004, 1:31 PM

> You are using the 3 LTD version as a plug-in, correct?

No, read his original post in which kentwolf said:

I use Graffiti 3.0 (full version) and it is generally agreed that the interface stinks. It's awful.

The LTD version is a stand alone only.

~jr

Cheesehole wrote on 5/6/2004, 2:01 PM

The interface isn't so bad. It's kind of like AfterFX. The problem I found with the LTD version of Graffiti is they crippled some key areas. It has the appearance of doing so much, and you can go pretty far with it, but then you try to zoom on the text and it you hit a brick wall. It pixelates. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that is one of the crippled features)

I guess the point is to make you want the full version and you can definitely still do plenty with it, but cripple ware really bugs me. I'm not motivated to learn something that is designed to leave me wanting something more. I would have rather had a lower end application that was fully featured personally but who knows... I'll be glad to have it when I need character level properties like you mentioned.

And yes there are plenty of titling options now. I have no excuse not to get what I need done.

- Ben

JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/6/2004, 6:26 PM

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that is one of the crippled features

There are a lot of crippling features but this isn’t one of them. To get rid of the pixilated text go to the Preview menu and set Quality to High. Then set Preview->Resolution->Full. I think the pixelation is primarily from the resolution being at half by default but this should fix it.

> I would have rather had a lower end application that was fully featured personally but who knows...

You can make believe they gave you the full version Title Deko instead because the LTD version of Graffiti can do at least as much as the full version of Title Deko. ;-) I'm getting use to it and its pretty good.

~jr

Cheesehole wrote on 5/7/2004, 6:35 AM

Okay, I'll try to get over my hangups about cripple ware ;D

But the pixelation is still there even at full res. It's just less obvious. Even in half resolution you can see that the pixelation increases as the z position moves toward the camera. That shouldn't happen with vectors unless it isn't really scaling the text up. I think it is related to one of the crippled features:

"Grafiti LTD does not allow you to scale objects over 100%."

But there are a lot of parameters... I could be missing one I suppose. No big deal anyway. At least there are bezier handles on the key frames! :D

Express wrote on 5/7/2004, 6:48 AM

I agree that the quality is not as good as it should be, even at full/high everything, the output is not as crisp as it is out of TitleDeko (very recent version).

If I create a movie, the jagged edges are gone, but I have found nothing to make the stil images as good as I would like them to be - but they are pretty close.

If I make the titles bigger than I wanted them to be, and then shrink them through Vegas track-motion, it is less prominent.

Chris

Cheesehole wrote on 5/7/2004, 7:13 AM

Good idea Chris. I hadn't thought of just exporting higher res movies... cool!

cheroxy wrote on 5/7/2004, 8:28 AM

Amen to Johnmeyers post. I feel that the titling void is quite large in Vegas. I think this thread is good in that it lets Sony see what us users want the future programming efforts to be.
later,
Carson

thomaskay wrote on 5/20/2004, 10:24 AM

"Anyone who doubts this should click on over to the Sundance site at download some of the title VEG files."

Link please.

johnmeyer wrote on 5/20/2004, 12:00 PM

"Anyone who doubts this should click on over to the Sundance site at download some of the title VEG files."

Sheesh! The one time I don't include a link ...

Sundance

thomaskay wrote on 5/20/2004, 7:43 PM

Thank you kindly.

Thomas

ken c wrote on 5/20/2004, 11:00 PM

SonyEPM, curious, I'm using Flash MX (not the 2004 one), how can I export titles for use in Vegas 4? I've tried both mov and avi w/alpha but they don't have alpha, eg solid backgrounds... any tips on how to export from Flash MX (or will the latest swish etc do it? for alpha-channeled titles?

mind posting a .fla and let me know export settings you're using? I'd really like to use flash titles in vegas... thanks!

ken

ken c wrote on 5/21/2004, 7:00 PM

ah hello? How can we export flash titles from Flash MX (not 2004) version for use in Vegas 4? I've tried exporting as avi w/alpha but it didnt' include the alpha, eg no transparency in movie ..

ken