Drone footage and Vegas Crashes

Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/17/2024, 6:59 AM

I have discovered something that you might find interesting. I've complained about Vegas Not Responding for some time now. I have had two projects now that simply get the "not responding" thing happening every few minutes and sometimes refusing to even open up where the footage is entirely from the drone. It's 4k mp4 files so I would think they would be fine. However, Vegas just seems to hate these files.

Any thoughts on this? Thanks.

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Former user wrote on 2/17/2024, 7:06 AM

@Roger Bansemer Hi, as I'm sure you're aware MP4 is just a container holding within it much more diverse information, so you'd need to post the MediaInfo 👍

RogerS wrote on 2/17/2024, 7:40 AM

VEGAS had blacklisted DJI files from the GPU-accelerated decoder for years. It seemed to be better of late at least with AVC. Are these AVC or HEVC?

In general HEVC x NVDEC in VEGAS isn't great though somewhat improving in 21.

Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/17/2024, 9:17 AM

VEGAS had blacklisted DJI files from the GPU-accelerated decoder for years. It seemed to be better of late at least with AVC. Are these AVC or HEVC?

In general HEVC x NVDEC in VEGAS isn't great though somewhat improving in 21.

Thanks for responding... It's an HEVC file. What if anything can I do about this issue if using Vegas 21?
An hour or so ago I put them in Vegas 17 without any issues. However, I want to include them in projects where I'm using Vegas 21.

john_dennis wrote on 2/17/2024, 12:38 PM

@Roger Bansemer said: "What if anything can I do about this issue if using Vegas 21?"

Use Shutter Encoder to batch convert the media to Pro Res.

RogerS wrote on 2/18/2024, 1:16 AM

Converting it all to known good formats is a good idea.

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"Drone footage and Vegas Crashes", good it is not the other way around😀!

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Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/18/2024, 7:05 AM

"Drone footage and Vegas Crashes", good it is not the other way around😀!

Good one. Been flying drones since my first one which was home built. Gotten much better since then.

Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/18/2024, 7:06 AM

VEGAS had blacklisted DJI files from the GPU-accelerated decoder for years. It seemed to be better of late at least with AVC. Are these AVC or HEVC?

In general HEVC x NVDEC in VEGAS isn't great though somewhat improving in 21.

Why on earth would the blacklist such a thing? Are they aware that there is hardly a video out there now that doesn't have drone footage mostly from DJI drones?

Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/18/2024, 7:09 AM

@Roger Bansemer said: "What if anything can I do about this issue if using Vegas 21?"

Use Shutter Encoder to batch convert the media to Pro Res.

Thanks John. I've been learning Davinci Resolve and they have a batch feature as well so instead of installing yet another program I'll try Davinci first. Wouldn't have thought of batch convert had you not mentioned it. Annoying we have to do that with DJI footage. None of us needs more steps in getting projects done.

jetdv wrote on 2/18/2024, 7:20 AM

@Roger Bansemer, I've used DJI drone footage as well as DJI Pocket footage a lot with little issue in VEGAS (and no issue in VEGAS Pro 21 as long as I have the decoder set to Intel in File I/O.) You might check the various options in Preferences - File I/O including the decoder being used and might even try the legacy AVC checkbox.

RogerS wrote on 2/18/2024, 8:05 AM

VEGAS had blacklisted DJI files from the GPU-accelerated decoder for years. It seemed to be better of late at least with AVC. Are these AVC or HEVC?

In general HEVC x NVDEC in VEGAS isn't great though somewhat improving in 21.

Why on earth would the blacklist such a thing? Are they aware that there is hardly a video out there now that doesn't have drone footage mostly from DJI drones?

I forget why exactly, there may have been some mismatch with the headers and what's in the file or just a problem with how DJI did the compression that did not work well with the VEGAS decoder. There were threads on this here circa VP 15 when it was a bigger problem (that was AVC, not HEVC which wasn't yet common).

ShutterEncoder is a free and great tool and I highly recommend it for converting files, rewrapping files, extracting audio and more. It's faster than editing software as it doesn't have to calculate a timeline.

I'd test other settings on the drone as you may find one that works better in VEGAS.

Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/18/2024, 8:08 AM

VEGAS had blacklisted DJI files from the GPU-accelerated decoder for years. It seemed to be better of late at least with AVC. Are these AVC or HEVC?

In general HEVC x NVDEC in VEGAS isn't great though somewhat improving in 21.

Why on earth would the blacklist such a thing? Are they aware that there is hardly a video out there now that doesn't have drone footage mostly from DJI drones?

I forget why exactly, there may have been some mismatch with the headers and what's in the file or just a problem with how DJI did the compression that did not work well with the VEGAS decoder. There were threads on this here circa VP 15 when it was a bigger problem (that was AVC, not HEVC which wasn't yet common).

ShutterEncoder is a free and great tool and I highly recommend it for converting files, rewrapping files, extracting audio and more. It's faster than editing software as it doesn't have to calculate a timeline.

I'd test other settings on the drone as you may find one that works better in VEGAS.

I just batch converted a few DJI files in Davinci and it worked fine. So glad to know of this issue.

Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/18/2024, 9:46 AM

VEGAS had blacklisted DJI files from the GPU-accelerated decoder for years. It seemed to be better of late at least with AVC. Are these AVC or HEVC?

In general HEVC x NVDEC in VEGAS isn't great though somewhat improving in 21.

Why on earth would the blacklist such a thing? Are they aware that there is hardly a video out there now that doesn't have drone footage mostly from DJI drones?

I forget why exactly, there may have been some mismatch with the headers and what's in the file or just a problem with how DJI did the compression that did not work well with the VEGAS decoder. There were threads on this here circa VP 15 when it was a bigger problem (that was AVC, not HEVC which wasn't yet common).

ShutterEncoder is a free and great tool and I highly recommend it for converting files, rewrapping files, extracting audio and more. It's faster than editing software as it doesn't have to calculate a timeline.

I'd test other settings on the drone as you may find one that works better in VEGAS.

The drone supports both MP4 (MPEG-4 AVC/H.264) and HEVC/H.265
I've been using the HEVC 265.

RogerS wrote on 2/18/2024, 9:51 AM

I'd try h.264 and see if it works stably without conversion.

Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/18/2024, 12:21 PM

I'd try h.264 and see if it works stably without conversion.

Not sure what you mean when you say "without conversion"... I'd still have to convert the ones I have wouldn't I? I'm certainly going to give the 264 a go but I'll need to shoot for a while before I get enough to give it a good test.

RogerS wrote on 2/18/2024, 7:10 PM

You wouldn't have to convert ones shot as h264 if they work better in VEGAS.

Reyfox wrote on 2/19/2024, 4:23 AM

@Roger Bansemer, I am considering getting a DJI drone and wondering if you can provide a short raw video that is problematic in Vegas to the cloud for me to test.

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Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/20/2024, 7:35 AM

@Roger Bansemer, I am considering getting a DJI drone and wondering if you can provide a short raw video that is problematic in Vegas to the cloud for me to test.

It won't do you any good to test one short clip from the drone as it takes a program full of clips for Vegas to choke. I'm switching my capture from the drone from h265 to h264 and I'm thinking that might solve the issue but I won't know until I film some more.

Reyfox wrote on 2/20/2024, 12:14 PM

@Roger Bansemer I personally don't shoot anything in H265 even though my cameras support it. It's pain to edit, and I have enough "pains" with other issues (creative).

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RogerS wrote on 2/20/2024, 6:27 PM

If you shared one clip we could easily copy it 20 or 30 times and make a fake project like yours.

Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/21/2024, 9:04 AM

@Roger Bansemer I personally don't shoot anything in H265 even though my cameras support it. It's pain to edit, and I have enough "pains" with other issues (creative).

I didn't know about this issue until I posted this. Glad I did. I'll use H264 from now on.

Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/21/2024, 9:40 AM

If you shared one clip we could easily copy it 20 or 30 times and make a fake project like yours.

I just put a file from the DJI drone on my FTP site. I'll leave it up for a day if you'd like to pick it up and play around with it. Can't leave it up long at all as the provider will be sending me threats that I'm taking up too much space. Let me know when you've picked it up.
Go to: https://bansemer.com/pickup

Former user wrote on 2/21/2024, 10:06 AM

@Roger Bansemer Hi, I tried your clip, no problems, I duplicated it 46times still no prob, off course this is a quick test on a different PC to yours, 🤷‍♂️

Here's the MediaInfo of that clip I asked for earlier,

Roger Bansemer wrote on 2/21/2024, 10:28 AM

@Roger Bansemer Hi, I tried your clip, no problems, I duplicated it 46times still no prob, off course this is a quick test on a different PC to yours, 🤷‍♂️

Here's the MediaInfo of that clip I asked for earlier,

Wondering if you did much to it like editing, trimming, color correction, etc. That's when things start to crash. And of course it could be that multiple clips make the problem worse rather than one clip over and over. Appreciate that you're testing it.