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John_Cline wrote on 7/2/2008, 9:33 PM
Yes, it's free.
megabit wrote on 7/2/2008, 11:07 PM
"The reason is simple, your XP installation doesn't have an UDF 2.5 driver. XP can not read Blu-Ray disks unless you add the driver. It usually comes with your Blu-Ray drive,alternatively you can use Nero or similar"

Thanks a lot - indeed, after I had bought and installed my LG Blu disk burner, I got rid of Nero while not enabling the InstantBurn software that came with the drive. Silly me!

Perhaps you also know the answer to my other question above - why does DVDA 5 say my BluRay bitrate is "too high to fit on a DVD", while I configured it for BD disks?

It seems that - for some reasons - I don't see things clearly these days :)

EDIT:

I just enabled UDF, and this resolved BOTH my problems:

DVDA 5 will not see it possible to burn (or even "prepare") a proper, full bit rate BD, unless it can find a valid BD drive on your system, which it didn't because of the UDF 2.x missing!

Now it works like a charm - no recompression of my old good Vegas renders...

Thanks again, Terje :)

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 7/3/2008, 1:22 AM
"When I dropped the HDV render into DVDA and went to Prepare Disc, I got the warning saying it would recompress. When I got the BD render into DVDA, I didn't get a warning."

And that is exactly as it should be - since HDV is not compliant directly, but the BD-templates are.

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malowz wrote on 7/3/2008, 2:31 AM
i did s few tests, and its workin fine with elementary and program stream (program stream video + elementary ac3/wav) withour any recompression.

but my program streams with PCM audio it does not detect audio, only detect video.

but vegas detect audio/video fine.
bStro wrote on 7/3/2008, 4:28 AM
Is this really any different from what DVDA has always done? For DVD files, If you strayed even slightly outside of the "Architect" templates, DVDA re-rendered the mpeg files.

Sorry, but that's not strictly true. I, and many others, have customized the settings of the DVD Architect templates plenty of times. This is primarily why it's so commonly recommended to do MPEG2 encoding in Vegas instead of in DVD Architect -- because Vegas gives you the control to customize the encode. You just have to keep them within DVD specs.

Rob
John_Cline wrote on 7/3/2008, 4:47 AM
"how did you render the footage - what parameter were used? What application was used for rendering?"

Often I will need to provide the client with raw HDV footage on a Blu-ray disc for them to review. In the past, I have simply taken the HDV footage (from a Sony HDV camera) and de-muxed it into a separate .m2v stream and an .mpa stream. I convert the .mpa stream to 48k 16bit stereo .wav and pull the .m2v and .wav files into Adobe Encore CS3, author up a Blu-ray disc and burn it to BD-R or BD-RE. It has worked every time and the Blu-ray disc has the un-touched HDV MPEG2 footage in all it's original glory. Other times, I will edit the project in Vegas, smartrender the final output and de-mux that as I described above.

The de-muxed 1440x1080 29.97i PAR 1.3333 MPEG2 files should be perfectly Blu-ray compliant. In fact, on page 31 of the DVDA v5 manual, it gives some very simple qualifications as to what will produce a "compliant MPEG-2 video stream." No matter what I do, the only files that DVDA v5 will accept without needing recompression are those generated by the MainConcept MPEG2 encoder in Vegas using one of the Blu-ray templates.

HDV MPEG2 is fragile enough without having to recompress and I don't want to recompress unless I absolutely have to, it takes time and affects the image quality. As much as possible, I like to only compress to MPEG2 once, in the camera. I've messed with this for two days, I'm just going to stick with Encore.
CClub wrote on 7/3/2008, 1:54 PM
BStro,
"I, and many others, have customized the settings of the DVD Architect templates plenty of times.... You just have to keep them within DVD specs."

Geez, I'd love to be wrong here. I've customized the DVDA templates plenty of times also, but when I do, and then import the mpg-2 file into DVDA, it re-renders them. What are the DVD specs for the mpg-2 settings to prevent DVDA from re-rendering?
bStro wrote on 7/3/2008, 3:55 PM
What are the DVD specs for the mpg-2 settings to prevent DVDA from re-rendering?

You can check DVDA's manual / online help for all that. Look for the section on "Preparing your files." What settings are you changing, and what are you changing them to that requires recompression in DVDA?

Rob
rs170a wrote on 7/3/2008, 8:07 PM
The only time I've had DVDA tell me it needs to recompress is because of operator error :-(

Mike


From the DVDA Help menu:

DVD Architect software supports a wide variety of file formats. However, some formats will require transcoding to another format or recompression during the DVD preparation process, increasing the amount of time needed to complete this operation and possibly degrading quality.

To avoid unnecessary transcoding or recompression, save your media files in the following formats prior adding them to your DVD Architect project.

The Sony Media Software AC-3 and MainConcept MPEG-2 encoders provide templates that will produce files that do not require recompression (unless the file size is too large to fit on a DVD).


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** AC-3 audio (.ac3)
Number of channels: stereo or 5.1 surround

Bit rate: 64 kbps to 448 kbps inclusive

** PCM audio (.wav)
Sample size: 16, 20, or 24 bit

Sample rate: 48 or 96 kHz

Number of channels: stereo

Compression: uncompressed

** NTSC MPEG video (.m2p, .mp2, .mpg, .mpv, .mpeg)
If you're using the MainConcept MPEG-2 encoder in Vegas software, use the DVD Architect NTSC video stream or DVD Architect 24p NTSC video stream template to render your video stream (you'll need to render your audio stream separately according to the parameters listed in the AC-3 audio or PCM audio headings).

Aspect ratio and frame size:

Aspect ratio
Frame size

4:3
720x480

4:3
704x480

4:3
352x480

4:3
352x240

16:9
720x480

16:9
704x480

Frame rate: 29.97 fps or 23.976 fps + 2-3 pulldown

Maximum GOP (group of pictures): 36

Maximum bit rate: 9.8 Mbps

No low delay

** PAL MPEG video (.m2p, .mp2, .mpg, .mpv, .mpeg)
CClub wrote on 7/4/2008, 6:39 AM
I believe I had the the problem with DVDA re-renders with this situation: I captured 24p footage from Sony V1U and Canon HV20 cameras via Cineform software. Thus, the pulldown is already removed. When I rendered for DVD, the 23.976 DVDA template states that it will do 2-3 pulldown, so I customize and say, no thanks, just do 23.976 without any pulldown. I believe that is when it re-renders. I may be wrong. Has anyone else encountered this?
megabit wrote on 7/5/2008, 7:54 AM
OK, here is my next prob with DVDA 5: I prepared a BD, whose menu behaves OK when previewed within DVDA, but -

- after mounting the iso image, Nero Showtime is the ONLY player recognizing it as a proper BD (both PowerDVD and WindDVD BD say it's an unrecognized format disk)

- even in Nero, I cannot navigate the menu properly (wherever I click, the first/top menu item=the file as a whole plays back); I can only browse chapters with the "Next/Previous" buttons while it's being played back!

Any advice appreciated...

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megabit wrote on 7/6/2008, 6:20 AM
Nobody commenting on my post above? I'm sure I'm doing sth incorrectly - DVDA cannot be that buggy!

Which DD 5.1 sound format should I be using - Studio or Pro AC3? (so far I didn't care as I just used BD burn from Vegas timeline, and authored using MovieFactory 6Plus HD - all my BD's played flawlessly)

Anny advice appreciated

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 7/6/2008, 11:44 AM
You should always use the AC3 Pro encoder - material from the AC3 studio encoder will be recompressed new in the DVDA5.

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blink3times wrote on 7/6/2008, 12:20 PM
Looks like I shot my mouth off a little TOO good with Ulead MF6.

I had forgotten about the mpeg2/AC3 issue. MF6 smart renders pretty good.... BUT... you can't mux AC3 and mpeg2... at least not in Vegas. You have to export the mpeg2 and the AC3 as separate files. DVDa will accept the separate files and STILL smart render whereas with MF6, adding the 2 SEPARATE files on the time line will result in a full re encode every time.

It looks like I will soon be a DVDa convert!
MozartMan wrote on 7/6/2008, 1:35 PM
blink3times wrote:
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Looks like I shot my mouth off a little TOO good with Ulead MF6.
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Sorry blink, but you are wrong. If you mux your .m2v and .ac3 files with tsMuxeR into .m2ts file , load it in DMF6+, and match project parameters with your MPEG-2 video/audio file parameters, there is no re-compression.

DVD Architect 5 missing a bunch of features that DMF6+ ($100 program) can offer.
Transitions between menus is just one of them.
I am not even talking about the thing that you can author MPEG-2 (HDV or ATSC) as AVCHD on DVD/9 with DMF6+ if you read my guide.

Very disappointing.
blink3times wrote on 7/6/2008, 2:09 PM
"Sorry blink, but you are wrong. If you mux your .m2v and .ac3 files with tsMuxeR into .m2ts file , load it in DMF6+....."

But that's exactly the point I'm trying to make. You have to mux the audio/video BEFORE you import to MF6, otherwise it will not smart render.
blink3times wrote on 7/6/2008, 2:21 PM
Actually MozartMan... I just tried your TSmuxer and it works... pretty fast too. It may be an extra step, but hardly big enough to complain about.

Thanks!
megabit wrote on 7/6/2008, 3:46 PM
Guys, do your DVDA 5 BD's have functional menus?!!

I can't succeed in compiling one that does...Where is the culprit?

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megabit wrote on 7/7/2008, 5:59 AM
Sorry for shameless bumping this up, but I need to know for sure whether or not I'm the only one with BD menus not working, before I open a support ticket.

Anybody?

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 7/7/2008, 6:21 AM
What kind of menu structure have you authored? I have tested some menu strucutures based on scene selection in my Samsung 1400 - I can navigate to the scene selection buttoms, and go into the part of the video where I should go to.

PowerDVD Ultra or Nero - I have not tested that really.

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megabit wrote on 7/7/2008, 7:11 AM
Wolfgang - it's very basic (intended as a test only): just two scenes/chapters, the first et the clip beginning, the second some 2 mins into it... Whichever I click, the movie plays from the beginning, though!

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 7/7/2008, 8:36 AM
Have you tried scene selection instead?

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Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED * internal HDR preview * i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE * 32 GB Ram) * Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB * internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor * Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG-K 1600 nits, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius 4.6 and other systems

megabit wrote on 7/7/2008, 9:02 AM
Yes - that works. Thanks!

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DeskTopGene wrote on 7/8/2008, 8:12 PM
I have tried several times to download the 5.0 update but I keep
getting an error code. I was invited to download it by SONY and
I still get an error code. I wrote to tech support twice and have not
heard a word. Its a good thing my life doesn't depend on it.