Edit from the SD card?

relaxvideo wrote on 7/12/2016, 1:25 AM
I don't have any more space on my HDD-s, and dont want to buy a new one either..
But my sdcard is U3 and i have a USB3 card reader with a usb3 port too. So i can make simple edits from the card pretty fast.
BUT my cam splits files at 2GB limits, and there is a problem when connecting 2 files. Around half sec audio is missing from the end of the first part video, and 2-3 frames are repetead. Can i connect it seamlessly somehow without merging them to one big file? (in this case everything is perfect)



ushere wrote on 7/12/2016, 1:41 AM
import via device manager back to new folder on card?
relaxvideo wrote on 7/12/2016, 1:57 AM
I only see device explorer, if you mean this.
But the buttons on this do nothing.
And if i could import it does it need space again on the SD card?
It's full :)
PeterDuke wrote on 7/12/2016, 2:59 AM
If you are going to edit video, you need plenty of disk space. To paraphrase Fagin in Oliver, "I think you'd better think it out again". USB drives are reasonably cheap these days.

There are many ways to join split AVCHD files, if that is what you have. I rather like IgorWare File Joiner http://www.igorware.com/file-joiner. It does exactly the same as the COPY /B command.

Note that this is for files that have been snipped regardless of content. Video joiner utilities may or may not do it right.
ushere wrote on 7/12/2016, 3:20 AM
And if i could import it does it need space again on the SD card? It's full :)

of course it would....

well peter neatly summed it up - "I think you'd better think it out again"

i often use 1tb usb3 drives for client work. no problem editing to / from / on them. $75au is peanuts in the world of video hardware....

relaxvideo wrote on 7/12/2016, 3:24 AM
Sorry, but that was not the question.
I know that video editing need space :)
But currently i dont have, and dont want to buy the 6th hard drive..

My only question was: can i connect these files seamlessly at timeline or not?
thanks again
dxdy wrote on 7/12/2016, 7:07 AM
How do you transfer files from the SD card to the HDD normally?

It could be that if you are using the camera vendor's software, it cleans some things up during the transfer process. If that is the case, you have to transfer them to a scratch file on a HDD (maybe a temp directory on the C: drive?) and then put them back on the SD card.
relaxvideo wrote on 7/12/2016, 7:22 AM
Normally i use the free mtsmerger.exe without any problem. (as i wrote)
Now i don't have space, don't want to buy a new hdd again, but like to edit from the sdcard directly. Anyway it works great with small files..

Anybody say yes or no to my question? Is it possible to edit these files without drop, or there is some technical reason why should i merge it first? Would be good a smarter Vegas which know that these files are one big recording, and handling like this.

VidMus wrote on 7/12/2016, 8:18 AM
If you do not have any space then where are you going to put the rendered file?

As for your question, yes you can but I would not recommend it.

larry-peter wrote on 7/12/2016, 9:51 AM
My 2 cents... I personally have found no way to eliminate the audio gap in split files on the timeline other than editing the audio track and applying a time stretch to cover the gap if you're lucky enough to have the file not split in the middle of a word. If you want it to be right, you really need to import with either your camera software or Vegas' Device Manager.

If your drives are truly "full" i.e. no swap space that can be temporarily reduced, no space for drive housekeeping (20% used to be the recommendation) and no space for backing up your data, I think you're courting disaster on several fronts.

K-Decisive wrote on 7/12/2016, 10:20 AM
I've been using one of those 5 drive JBOD towers for a few years and I love it. I don't have it in raid, I just make at lease two copies of source footage. The jbod is hooked up via sata card, so it's the same as having a bunch of on line disks, then you can swap them out by powering down the jbod. It's a bit of an investment though.
relaxvideo wrote on 7/12/2016, 3:14 PM

"If you do not have any space then where are you going to put the rendered file?"

Currently i don't have enough space for merging all the files, but like to start editing. It will takes a few weeks. At the end of that period, hopefully i watch and delete some big movies from the hdd, so i can render the finished project out. Why not delete/watch these movies now? Well, i like to organize my life myself and now i like to edit..

"yes you can but I would not recommend it."

Oh finally a simple answer!
Great, and how? Can you share the secret and why you don't recommend it?

thanks a lot!

relaxvideo wrote on 7/12/2016, 3:15 PM
thanks but i have problem with the video too, not just audio
larry-peter wrote on 7/12/2016, 4:18 PM
The video splits have duplicated frames, correct? That is more easily fixed than the audio. Overlap the two clips until you have a frame match, ungroup the video/audio on both clips and trim one of the video clips to the edge of the other. Then deal with the real problem.

Or better yet, go to Wal-Mart, get an $11 32 GB flash drive, format it to NTFS and import the file correctly to it.
richard-amirault wrote on 7/12/2016, 6:09 PM
I'm pretty sure that even if you connect all those files together. You will have a problem writing that to the USB drive. A FAT32 USB thumb drive has a 4 gig file size limit.
PeterDuke wrote on 7/12/2016, 7:31 PM
If you are determined to make a rod for your own back, then use Device Explorer. View>Window>Device Explorer.

See Vegas Help for more info.
musicvid10 wrote on 7/12/2016, 7:33 PM
Rule of Thumb:
If you haven't edited a particular project in two years, and are satisfied with the rendered file, there is no need to keep those huge source files on your hard drives any longer. .

PeterDuke wrote on 7/12/2016, 7:37 PM
If you write back to an SD card, it must have an exFAT file system or similar, because FAT32 has a 2 or 4 GB file size limitation. SDXC cards usually have exFAT.
relaxvideo wrote on 7/13/2016, 1:09 AM
yes, as i see duplicated frames. But i remember a few years ago, when i first tested it, that even when i corrected the duplicated frames in timeline, i got strange errors (blocks) in rendered file. Maybe it was with older version of Vegas, and now i can use? I will test.

I'm pretty sure that even a USB drive can have NTFS file system, so no problem with big files..

use Device Explorer?? This needs the same space as with mtsmerger.exe.
Or what do you mean?

again, not an answer to the original question..
"satisfied with the rendered file" - i'm not satisfied, like to edit later. And have other big files also, which will be deletet in a few weeks.

yes, i format all my drives to NTFS.
John_Cline wrote on 7/13/2016, 2:42 AM
exFAT is specifically optimized for flash memory such as USB flash drives and SD cards, practically speaking, exFAT has no filesize limit.

Formatting USB flash drives or SD cards using NTFS is not recommended. With NTFS, changes are logged to a “journal” on the drive before they’re actually made, a removable drive doesn’t need journaling like a system drive does. In fact, journaling could just result in additional writes that could reduce the life of the drive’s flash memory. You absolutely MUST eject the card using the "Safely Remove Hardware and Eject Media" function to remove it safely and prevent corrupting the Master File Table, this is true of any external drive formatted with NTFS. Also, the Master File Table of NTFS takes up a larger amount of storage space than exFat or FAT32 thus reducing the total amount of storage space.
relaxvideo wrote on 7/13/2016, 4:10 AM
Thanks for the info. Then i format to exFAT, it make no difference to my daily work.
PeterDuke wrote on 7/13/2016, 7:24 AM
use Device Explorer?? This needs the same space as with mtsmerger.exe.
Or what do you mean?"

Please read my post again. It is a way of loading split AVCHD to the timeline without gaps in the audio and video at the joins. No significant disk space required.
relaxvideo wrote on 7/13/2016, 7:51 AM
"No significant disk space required"
I just read your post again and the help file too, but don't find any info, why this process won't need as much space as the sum of source 2GB files.
OldSmoke wrote on 7/13/2016, 3:02 PM

If I understand the OP correct that he would like to original, split clips to appear as one clip on the timeline without joining them, which would mean writing and additional file, that is not possible. You need to write a new file containing all the split files before it appears as one continuous file without audio drop outs and other issues.

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relaxvideo wrote on 7/13/2016, 3:25 PM
"split clips to appear as one clip on the timeline "

small correction:
could be more connecting clips, but no video/audio problem at the split points..