Error report from replication plant

Stuntmusic wrote on 10/20/2009, 7:34 PM
Anyone cae to take a crack at what the issue is?

I authored a DVD in DVDA (4.5), First menu, three vids.

First menu choice goes to a submenu with chapters and a play all (via a playlist), along with a return to the main menu

Second menu choice plays video

Thrid menu choice plays video.

Plays on every test player I have, as well as every player my client has.

I ship it off for replication and their shecking software rejects it with this error:

A Descriptor's address does not agree with the actual location where the Descriptor was found.

Since this error can occur with various Descriptor types, the EclipseSuite programs will display one of the following messages in the Additional Info column of the Analysis identifying the descriptor in question.

ECMA167: Location: [ x], Tag location field: [ y]
A Descriptor Tag is a data structure at the beginning of every descriptor. It includes a field that identifies the number of the logical sector containing the first byte of the descriptor.

This message indicates that the actual logical sector address ( x) is different from the location given by the Tag Location field in the Descriptor Tag ( y).

Reference: ECMA 167 3/27.2, BD-ROM U00-047, U00-123

Note: This is a common problem when using the authoring application "Sony DVD Architect". So far, there has been no playability problems reported. Because of this, most customers choose to ignore this condition.

I have the full report if anyone wants to see it, in PDF form, but this is not good for me. If Sony DVD Architect can't write DVD's that can be sent to a replication plant where aglass master is made, then I've got to come up with another solution for my authoring.

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musicvid10 wrote on 10/20/2009, 8:50 PM
So far, there has been no playability problems reported. Because of this, most customers choose to ignore this condition.

Sounds like a flag, not a reject.
Did you provide them with a DVD, a Master, or an ISO?
NickHope wrote on 10/20/2009, 10:03 PM
This may or may not be one of the same problems that PgcEdit always detects (and will repair) on DVDA projects.

I'm using version 8.6 which I think was the last free version.

If you use this program, beware that it leaves a backup folder behind inside your video_ts folder which you would probably want to delete before burning discs.
Stuntmusic wrote on 10/24/2009, 7:37 AM
I supplied them with the DVD burned right out of DVDA. What would the difference be between that and a "Master"?

Would it be better to provide an ISO?
Sierra Nomad Photography wrote on 10/24/2009, 6:28 PM
I believe that an iso is identical to burning direct from DVDA. A DVD supplied to the replicator is your master. They would use that to make a glass master for the actual replication.
musicvid10 wrote on 10/24/2009, 8:05 PM
Sorry to differ, but a DVD Master is a special type of image created specifically for replicators that cannot be burned on a standard DVDR. It contains several flags and checksums specifically for the replicator's utilization.

An ISO is also an image, commonly used as a single-file archive, from which a DVD can be burned on home computers. It also usually contains error-checking that is not on a DVD.

Neither type of image is a DVD, nor can they be played conventionally, although both contain bit-for-bit data identical to the burned DVD in addition to the other data.

That's why I asked. The fact that a replicator took a home-burned DVD rather than requiring a Master or ISO, is probably a testament to their standards.

DVDA Pro will produce either a Master or ISO; if you are providing a product that will be replicated it is a good idea to send one or the other. ImgBurn will also take a DVDA-prepared folder and create an extremely clean ISO.
Sierra Nomad Photography wrote on 10/24/2009, 11:46 PM
That's very interesting. I didn't know that.

But it's recommended that you play your DVD on several players before submitting it for replciation. How can you do that if a true master or ISO won't play on a conventional player?
musicvid10 wrote on 10/25/2009, 1:58 AM
1) You burn a DVD from an ISO or a Mastered or Prepared Folder.
2) You send the burned DVD to everyone you know and ask them to test it.
3) You then take the Master (that was created at the same time as the prepared folder) or the ISO to the replicator on a thumb drive. A Master can be in DDP or CMF format depending on what the replicator wants (DVDA's default is DDP 2.10).

DVDs are preferably replicated from an image, not the other way around. Taking a playable DVDR in for replication is the least preferred method, and many commercial plants don't take them. That is almost universally true for double-layer projects.

HINT: ImgBurn will create an ISO or burn a DL-DVD from folders that don't contain smart-prepare data. A real lifesaver when the project wasn't authored in DVDA.
Thomas Video wrote on 10/25/2009, 5:28 AM
Hi.
One more comment to that story:
I got the same error message from a replication plant too.
In my case I shipped the DVD as a DDP File (DVDA 5.0b). So this error is not connected tot he type of shipping.
Odd combination: The replication plant is a SONY replication plant… And the DVD was authored with a SONY Software. But and nobody there was able to tell me anything useful about this message. Of course I know that they are not directly linked to each other, but anyway it is amusing.
We decided to have them replicated anyway and hope for the best…
Anyway I am a little nervous…
Sierra Nomad Photography wrote on 10/26/2009, 11:10 AM
Musicvid:

I misunderstood your comment about iso not playing on DVD players.

Thanks for the information - I've been submitting my masters on DVDR. I'll look into using a thumb drive.

Stuntmusic wrote on 10/29/2009, 12:44 AM
Can DVDA v 4.5 create a Master? If not, should I prepare a folder and use ImgBurn to create the ISO to send to the replication plant?
Stuntmusic wrote on 11/2/2009, 8:34 PM
Anyone?
Former user wrote on 11/3/2009, 6:45 AM
I think it will create a Master to a DLT, but I don't think it will any other way.

Dave T2
musicvid10 wrote on 11/3/2009, 7:25 AM
In DVDA Pro, if I click "Make DVD," three options come up -- Prepare, Burn, and Write Master.

If that last option does not appear in your Studio version, there is your answer.
TOG62 wrote on 11/3/2009, 7:51 AM
Yes, DVDA Studio will not make a master. It can directly create an ISO image, though. Choose Burn and select ISO Image Writer as the device.

Mike
musicvid10 wrote on 11/3/2009, 8:09 AM
Choose Burn and select ISO Image Writer as the device.

Except that the ISO will also invoke the same message the OP complained about.
The OP could Prepare the folder, create an ISO in ImgBurn or one of the other tools mentioned, and see what Eclipse says about that.