Farewell Apologies

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Grazie wrote on 12/30/2009, 11:24 PM
Soooo..... I person couldn't ask a question about the functionality and value of Vegas without purchasing and registering that product first? Really? - That would kinda put me off?

I am not a legal person, and I just read the T&Cs for the Forums, and in general and presently I don't see any reference for the requirement to register a product to be a participating part of the Forums?

Grazie
megabit wrote on 12/30/2009, 11:32 PM
You guys may have noticed that I personally never participate in threads like this (or any type of "rant" threads). If I'm making an exception to this rule now is because I've started becoming a bit disappointed recently with how people (including even some of the most esteemed pros) easily get involved in this type of threads...

Why not give BudWzr a little credit, and simply be a bit more tolerant?

I myself was also told off because of an innocent question I posted recently...

What's up with you guys?

Happy New Year, and Peace

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Rob Franks wrote on 12/31/2009, 12:56 AM
"Soooo..... I person couldn't ask a question about the functionality and value of Vegas without purchasing and registering that product first? Really?"
Yup.

"I am not a legal person, and I just read the T&Cs for the Forums, and in general and presently I don't see any reference for the requirement to register a product to be a participating part of the Forums?"
Yes... that's quite interesting isn't it. The whole thing is quite vague... accident or not?

If you go to some of the "other" forums you will run into the odd complaint over this; "I wanted to go to the Vegas forums to ask a question, but couldn't because you have to own the product to be part of the forums".
Rob Franks wrote on 12/31/2009, 1:09 AM
PROOF:

I just created a new account with a different email add. I did not associate any software with it. I tried to post and this is what I got:

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In order to post messages to the forums, you must be a registered user of a Sony Creative Software product. If you own a Sony Creative Software product that is not currently associated with your account, go to the My Software page add enter your product serial number in the "Missing Products" form.
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I say again... you CANNOT post here without owning and registering a Sony Product
farss wrote on 12/31/2009, 1:11 AM
It's hard for me to verify this as I already have quite a number of products registered and yes back a decade or so ago when I first registered one did have to provide a valid serial number as part of the registration process.
Several years ago this policy seems to have been changed. Several times since users other than me have complained about this change in policy. I suspect the change was made for exactly the reasons Grazie has raised.
We have had some serious nut jobs end up here. I use the words "nut jobs" literaly. One was a criminal on the loose. Perhaps some others remember "THECEO" ? Last I heard he was caught and doing time (again).
Please note one oddity. The username and password for accessing Support is different to the one for accessing My Account and this forum. Initially they are the same however change your password here and your support password is not changed. I mention this because it threw me for a while.

Bob.
Rob Franks wrote on 12/31/2009, 1:17 AM
"It's hard for me to verify this as I already have quite a number of products registered and yes back a decade or so ago when I first registered one did have to provide a valid serial number as part of the registration process."

If you don't believe the proof that I have provided above, then it's easy enough to do it yourself. Register with another email add (different name of course) and don't associate any software to that account.

Knock yourself out trying to post

YOU CAN NOT POST WITHOUT A REGISTERED PRODUCT
farss wrote on 12/31/2009, 1:58 AM
I believe you, no need to shout. I was busy typing my post while you were typing yours and the streams crossed.

I guess it kind of begs the question though of exactly what a "registered product" means. Vegas does have a reputation as being very readily pirated, heck there's STILL several videos on Youtube showing you how to do it. There's also the question of trial serial numbers.

In any case all of this is quite irrelevant. The person in question almost certainly does have a licenced copy of a SCS product. By his own admission he did behave badly, he apologised. I take that at face value, to err is human, to forgive is divine or whatever.

If he's embarrased because he feels he's made a fool of himself and doesn't want to come back then all I can add is making a right fool of yourself is part of the territory in this game, get over it, the best of the best have done it and in far more public places than this.

More than once he chose to say "I'm out of here". No one here can run him out of town, that's a decision he made. Just as anyone here can choose to ignore him he can do the same. People here are incredibly gentile compared to the rough and tumble out in the real world of this business.

Bob.
DGates wrote on 12/31/2009, 1:59 AM
This Bud person is nothing more than a drama queen.

One week of intense posting and we already have his farewell thread (that he keeps editing).

C'mon folks, no need to stick up for the schmuck. You're being played and don't even know it.
Rob Franks wrote on 12/31/2009, 3:47 AM
"I guess it kind of begs the question though of exactly what a "registered product" means. Vegas does have a reputation as being very readily pirated,"
That's an interesting thought.... one that I didn't think about anyway. The question though is whether or not a pirater would actually run the risk of registering their stolen goods and if so would Sony not have some means in filtering the authentic serials from the generated ones?


"If he's embarrased because he feels he's made a fool of himself "
I can't even begin to count the times in a day I make an ass of myself.
BudWzr wrote on 12/31/2009, 5:12 AM
I have ADHD Combined Type with co morbid ODD, That's the medical lingo. I do take Vyvanse and Adderall to tamp down the worst of it. ADHD is the "asshole" disorder, because it comes across that way, and it's easier for people to go into hate mode, and that's certainly understandable.

ADHD has some relationship to Tourette's in that the outbursts just come out of nowhere all of a sudden. Some of the symptoms are impulsiveness, losing things, forgetting, can't stand in line or sit still, can't wait your turn, and hyperfocusing on one thing to the exclusion of everything else.

Many people have some or all of these traits, but have developed coping mechanisms to get by in life. Those people often excel in their field, but some cannot ever get enough control to blend in with normal people.

On top of that I have Oppositional Defiant Disorder, so I talk back and get real stubborn. In fact, once I start on a path, it's extremely hard to admit being wrong, and I will usually justify myself with the most inventive excuses in the world. Apologizing here in public is unheard of for me. I never give in normally.

ADHD is a congenital brain chemical imbalance just like any other mental disorder but you don't go around mumbling to yourself or hear voices like other disorders.

People tell me all the time, "why don't you relax", "why do you let that bother you", my childhood teachers all said "he's so smart, but he doesn't apply himself".

ADHD, like homosexuality, is not a lifestyle or a choice. At least homosexuals are starting to get a break finally from the haters, but I never will.

I only mention this because I DO have a good heart, and I don't want to leave one of my "routines" behind, for you people. I wanted to try to undo as much as I could. I'm taking the blame because I DID come in here and stir the pot.

Another reason I'm writing this is because I don't want to permanently burn the bridge here.

Jay Gladwell wrote on 12/31/2009, 5:50 AM

Some of the symptoms are impulsiveness, losing things, forgetting, can't stand in line or sit still, can't wait your turn, and hyperfocusing on one thing to the exclusion of everything else.

Yeah, I've heard it all before... many, many years ago.

When I was a kid in grade school, I guess it could have been said I (and other kids like me) had attention deficit disorder. My parents got my "attention". Either I made up the "deficit" or I acquired a major "disorder" at my posterior.

No chemicals and it worked!


BudWzr wrote on 12/31/2009, 6:18 AM
I got beat up too, but it didn't work. You're one of the lucky ones.

I'm not using it as an excuse. Just want everyone to know I wasn't coming out of meanness. It's more like competitive or challenging nature, along those lines. If you notice, I never use bad words or really try to insult someone to the core.

If you remember the "class clown" or the kid that always shouted out the answer, that is me.

I went to a private christian school, and I got paddled EVERY week. Sometimes I had too many paddling tickets and some had to defer to the next week because they only did paddlings on Friday.
PeterWright wrote on 12/31/2009, 6:26 AM
Bud, that is one of the most open declarations I can remember in this forum.

Good on you for coming out so honestly - if you can put those cards on the table, there's a good chance you can let your "good heart" come through and replace those other tendencies with a genuine wish to contribute, ask questions, help others when you can, and learn from the community as we all do.

And to those who are dismissive or unforgiving - remember that is a deficit YOU have, and maybe you too can grow beyond your situation.

TLF wrote on 12/31/2009, 7:08 AM
homosexuality, is not a lifestyle or a choice

I should introduce you to some of the people I know. You'd be surprised.

[tongue-in-cheek mode ON]
Some people just love to have labels (I'm not implying you're one of them): DSM IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Version 4) classifies caffeine addition as a mental disorder. That means there are a lot of people affected/afflicted with a mental disorder.

ADHD - Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder... and one of the symptoms is hyperfocusing on one thing to the exclusion of everything else. Isn't that like saying one of the symptoms of depression is optimism?!
[tongue-in-cheek mode OFF]
BudWzr wrote on 12/31/2009, 7:14 AM
I lost my business too because of this ADHD, but fortunately I'm financially secure from a dumb-luck investment I made a long time ago.

Editing video and shooting content are my passion and therapy. It's mentally challenging and rewarding.

This is the first forum I've run across where there are active pros, and whoever comes in here trying to pass off baloney is going to get clobbered, and that acts as a self-regulating truth mechanism. I like that!

I'm committed to video for the long haul. It's in my blood now. When I watch TV or movies, I notice the compositing and the cuts, and I try to reverse engineer how they likely did it, and that's how I've been learning.

I'm not a fraud, or troll, and I am a bonafide Sony registered user, not using bootleg software.

I'll be glad when this topic goes away. I put a note on top for the mod. If I delete the first post, all the rest of the thread will be hanging there, so I don't want to do that.
BudWzr wrote on 12/31/2009, 7:40 AM
TLF,

Well, alcoholism used to be considered an addiction, but was changed to a disease, that doesn't make sense either.

Addiction IS a mental disorder when it INTERFERES with your ability to maintain normally. If you continue to do something that ruins your life, as a compulsion, in other words you feel compelled to do it, then that is the criteria for a diagnosis of perhaps OCD maybe.

Some people, like Howie Mandel, are afraid of germs and it's an obsession. He admits to taking medication for his OCD, which is going to be a serotonin reuptake inhibitor to balance the brain chemicals.

My meds act as a counter-balance and calm me down. For people with true ADHD, stimulants produce calm. For college students abusing drugs, stimulants produce something else like a high or whatever. If I take too much, I get sleepy.

Hyperfocusing is a "mental lock-on" that maintains your attention until you figure it out or complete it or whatever. ADHD people are prone to it because the stimulation and challenge makes the brain go into "fight or flight" mode and produce dopamine. ADHD people have low levels of natural dopamine and the brain creates this false scenario of hyperfocus to trick its underactive pathways into releasing more dopamine.

People who do risky things for thrills are likely to have some degree of ADHD. If they otherwise function normally, then FOR THEM it's not a mental disorder.

And people with severe ADHD, that they cannot overcome after repeated failure after failure need medical relief, no matter what Dr. Laura says. She's not even a Dr. or licensed psychologist or anything. Dr. Phil is better than her.

And her endorsement of non-drug ADHD prevention only works with kids that are going to come out of it naturally anyway, and her advice flies in the face of clinical evidence and controlled double-blind studies.
TLF wrote on 12/31/2009, 8:52 AM
Most doctors are not doctors - they have no PhD - so what do they know, eh?

Many people like to have a label for their behaviour as it makes them feel secure knowing that their problem is not unique; others, of course, do not want to be labelled because of the negative stereotypes.

Humans of curious creatures.
BudWzr wrote on 12/31/2009, 9:36 AM
TLF,

Yes, it is so comforting to know that others have the same issue whether it be cancer or mental.

Nobody wants to be the odd man out, and we can learn from others with the same problem.
Coursedesign wrote on 12/31/2009, 10:59 PM
I recall someone saying, "May he who is without sin cast the first stone."

That is as good now as it was back then.


Bud has spoken wisely, and no one here is perfect, so let's cut each other some slack.


Usually people here only get this frantic when a new version of Vegas is believed to be imminent...
TLF wrote on 1/1/2010, 12:11 AM
Who defines what 'sin' is.

It's a cultural/religious thing.

"Be hospitable" is probably better.
TLF wrote on 1/1/2010, 12:11 AM
- D'oh! Double post -
DGates wrote on 1/1/2010, 10:00 AM
I have AVCHD. But I'm taking a prescription for it.
apit34356 wrote on 1/1/2010, 11:04 AM
"I have AVCHD. But I'm taking a prescription for it. " Now remember, just because you're feeling better, don't stop taking the medicine or bad things will come back to your editing style........very bad things........ ;-)
DGates wrote on 1/1/2010, 11:37 AM
Indeed. The doc gave me a 90-day supply of NeoScene.