Actually Anandtech's report is lopsided or wrong. If you add in a direct comparison of a 560ti and a 770gtx the 770gtx wins by a mile.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/829?vs=858

On a yearly release software we should be able to buy new(er/est) hardware and see gains or improvements. And stability is Sony's job, not Nvidia's.

The report is correct and shows exactly what it is. Nvidia has turned its back on users like us and supports gaming rather then anything else. There is nothing that SCS can do if the hardware (Nvidia) does no longer support it. You could well take a 770 and test it against a 560Ti with the SCS benchmark project and see what you get. It really depends on what hardware and its driver are intended for and as of now 600 & 700 series are gamers cards and nothing else.

" ....And stability is Sony's job, not Nvidia's. "


Third party hardware drivers have never been the responsibility of software publishers..

If it were, then Microsoft would be your villain, not Sony ....

You are right and it is stable with the right hardware.

Well. I have to admit, the question has been in the back of my mind. Why does SCS support an older GPU, but not a newer one? But, they (the GTX 570's) are still available here via Amazon and other vendors so it's not that big a deal. I can get one and if that is what is needed then that's what I'll do. I'm quickly getting to the point where I'm afraid my current system is going to die and I'm in the middle of 3 projects.

I am interested though in the Radeon R9 solution too and would be very willing to go that route over the 570/580 since it's newer hardware. But from what I've read in other threads it really hasn't been extensively tested yet, correct?

Mike,

What is your predominant source material and what format do you render to ?

I have been testing/using the R9 290 for about two weeks now and for me, it flies. BUT, it doesn't scream on all formats. I render using Sony AVC/mp4 60p most of the time from 200+Mbps 1920x1080 60p source. It previews that stuff without making proxy files just fine. Search the benchmark thread. The 290 does not perform as well as much cheaper nvidia cards with MainConcept encoding....but I almost never use that CODEC so I don't really care. That is why I asked what you shoot/edit...Your mileage may truly vary...and if you are using VP10, well....hmmmm..

And, it turns out, that some of the early 290s have 290x hardware that has been disabled in firmware and can be re-flashed pretty easily (though not for the faint-of-heart) and you will have a 290x card. Will the extra shaders of the 290x help in video-land? Dunno. I'm going to find out this week...

For those interested in the 290/290X discovery/flash process go to overclock.net and look for the two threads pertaining to the 290/290X.

Finally, my GTX580 is for sale. If interested, PM me..

Cheers and good luck to ya!

..sk

I shoot with a Canon T2i usually at 1920X1080 30fps and render to mp4. I plan to start authoring Blu Ray with this machine so that will be a factor but I haven't delved into any of the settings for that yet.

Here is a revised list of components for this build.

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Be Quiet DARK ROCK 2 57.9 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme6 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory
Storage: Seagate 600 Series 480GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
Storage: Western Digital Re 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card
Case: Thermaltake Chaser A71 ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply: Enermax 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)

The price went up about $700 but I don't build/buy every couple of years. The HP laptop I'm working on now is 6+ years old.

skeeter123

Do you use BCC8 by any chance? I like some of their FX but it is a pain to work with. It slows my system down to crawl sometimes. I have an eye on the R9 290X too if that would improve the system with regards to BCC8. How about scrolling text?

OS,

Nope. For scrolling text I mostly use the Sony generated one...

@ OldSmoke

According to the report, it shows the following for render results. I wonder what operating system version they were using and what version of drivers? They do not say and that is important to know.


Compute: Sony Vegas Pro 12 Video Render

Time In Seconds - Lower Is Better

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 = 44
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti = 80


Note: Eventually this whole thing is going to hit a brick wall where it will have to be dealt with.

A person buys a new system with Windows 8.1. The old driver 296.10 will not work with it so a later and inferior driver would have to be used? If they go to Windows 7 they might void their warranty.

Eventually, because of other needs I will need to dust-off my Windows 8 install boot and use it for the latest and greatest whatever I need that is video related and where will I be then?

SCS and/or NVidia needs to solve this problem NOW!!!

I am currently quite happy for the most part in what I can do except for 60p which will not play full speed. Soon enough with evolving hardware, software and other new technologies this problem will become a major train wreck!

This annoying problem we are dealing with should no longer be!

P.S. I wish I could afford a faster CPU and all but an advanced hobby type person like me (who spends too much money on this) on SSI disability can only do so much.

VidMus

The render test doesn't tell us anything because, as you mentioned, we don't know the details of it.

There are different GXT560 Ti in the market and if it is the lower model with less CUDA cores then the difference is about right and it would be the same when compared with a GTX580. The whole test isn't fair, why would you compare a GTX770, note the 70, with a GTX560, it should rather be a GTX570.

If you have a GTX560Ti in your system then it would be nice to see your performance in Hulk's Benchmark test.

I do agree with you that someone has to fix the whole issue but what is there to fix, VP, GPU drivers or OS? You can run VP12 on Win 8.1 with a GTX560Ti. It isn't as fast but it is stable and works. Granted, my dual GTX570 don't work so well, I just reported it today, but it works fine with one card.

If I am Sony I would make my own hardware board to support acceleration. Like in the days of Media Studio Pro that supported Canopus editing cards like a Raptor or T-Rex. That would get me away from Nvidia and AMD as I would use their cards only to "draw" the video on the screen. There is also the alternative to make a MAC version... now that idea will stir up a can of worms in this forum.

AMEN to that Oldsmoke!! When SCS made the move for Vegas to be hardware reliant, they must have known that as each year passed, the hardware would change. And so must the drivers! If not already, they need to get into a discussion with ONE graphics card maker and come to a deal to produce drivers for Sony Vegas. Seriously, how hard can it be? ANY edge in business is an edge a businessman wants - however small potatoes it is. How many copies of V11 and V12 out there? Anyone know?

OK guys, I'm finally back at it. I've been unable to put much thought towards this lately due to projects I need to get done, as well as family responsibilities, but I had some time today to look at this again. I'm going a different direction now, and that turned out to be a good bit cheaper. Old Smoke had suggested the 1150 socket so I created a parts list based on that. How does this one look?

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9B SE2 37.9 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus Z87-DELUXE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Seagate 600 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card
Case: Azza Genesis 9000 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply: Enermax 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)

Like I said, it's a good bit cheaper so I'm wondering if it will hold up if/when I do upgrade to VP12. And the GPU issue is still plaguing me but I stuck with the R9 from the last list unless someone can suggest something different. The GTX560 - 580 cards I saw were comparable in price to the R9 so I thought if I'm spending that much anyway I may as well go with new technology. Any thoughts?

I don't know MikeA - but it seems to me moving from the theoretical to the practical - nothing has been settled. This was pointed out to you at the beginning of this thread.

In all likelihood even if you assemble the perfect system that someone is recommeding to you, it is truly very doubtful that you are going to really benefit from GPU issues and concerns.

You need to refocus your objectives and in particular determine what hardware (and not GPU) is going to get you there.

OK vTg, I guess I'm not following you completely. Nothing has been settled on what? The fact that SCS hasn't upgraded their software to work with new video cards or something is not settled in the lists I have been working on? Sorry, just trying to follow you here.

It was brought up that VP works best with the GTX5xx series cards but then there was mention that the new R9 cards look promising. One user has been working with one for a few weeks and is not experiencing issues.

My 6+ year old laptop is dying. My objective is to put together a new editing PC that I can use with the software I currently have (VP10) but also not be lacking in horsepower if or when I upgrade to VP12. I don't really care about the GPU. The MB that I have spec'd now has both HDMI and Display Port outputs so if I don't need to include one, great! I can use the on board video without buying a separate card.

As I said earlier, it has been a long time since I put together a PC. A lot of things have changed since then. A lot of new technologies and hardware. I'll be the first to admit that I'm kind of lost here. Just trying to catch up.

Thanks for your comment, sorry I'm not understanding...

SCS code writers by their own admission have stated that code that was pushed into VPro12 needs a serious rework.
They planning on skipping Vpro13 - (because of bad karma, for one thing..) and introduce Vpro14 when they have determined a new direction.

Unless you are doing anything but garden variety video..there is simply no need to tailor and customize for VPro12.

Now if your requirements are different and you can cite Premiere as your editor for NLE of choice., then that is a different case.

Here again someone with very bad experience is chiming in. GPU acceleration is worth every penny as long as you can get it working. I have only the best experience with it and I wouldn't want to miss it. Not only does it improve timeline performance but also rendering performance and that not only for MC AVC. I am currently rendering a 1hour project shot in 1280x720 60p to MPEG-2 for BD and I can see my GPU load is way up between 80% and 90%. If you want to get the same performance with CPU power only you will need very deep pockets to pay for a dual Xeon 2011 socket setup.
I am actually selling my two GTX570s because I upgraded to 2xGTX580 water-cooled and the difference is another good 10-15% performance gain depending on codec.

Does anyone know of an outlet/vendor (online) where one can purchase a gtx560(ti) or gtx570(ti) video card?

I've been looking at the usual places; Tigerdirect, NewEgg, etc.

Not much luck at either place.

Thanks in advance,

Will

I doubt you can buy those new anymore. eBay is your best chance to get one.

Somtehing is wrong with this picture - why do we have to buy obsolete and OLD hardware to get stability and performance in VP12? Usually you have to buy NEW hardware for your software for compatibility and/or performance reasons - but Vegas is the opposite?!

The question remains; which is the best NEW GPU for a new PC to run VP12 on - assuming a budget of 600$ - 1000$? I want smooth editing, the best bang for the buck - and stability (needless to mention)? I would appreciate an answer from SCS - many of us would...

SCS - you have not updated your GPU acceleration page for along time! It's somewhat embarassing that you compare performance by listing GPU's that no longer are available. Ok - available but only second hand via ebay...

Christian

PS: A´m I barking at the wrong tree or what?

Those who say the poor GPU acceleration results in VP12 are not SCS but nVidia's fault should compare the new XAVC (and especially its Long GOP version - S-XAVC) encoded clip playback and rendering on the same machine (CPU & GPU - wise), but with 2 different systems:

- our beloved Vegas Pro 12, and
- Premiere Pro CC with its Mercury engine...

While the Long-GOP clips are crawling at some miserable 2-4 fps and GPU usage at merely 20% in VP12, they happily play at full fps in PP CC, with the GPU usage at a solid and sustained 99-100%.

Go figure :(

Piotr

+1 another voice as to why we should be having to look at obsolete video cards when the competition is moving ahead.

scs, give up with the bells and whistles, the unasked for marketing ploys (eg. 3d). give us the vegas we need, not what marketing thinks we need....