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Nick Hope wrote on 9/23/2016, 9:57 AM

What card do you have exactly?

Where exactly in the software is it not showing up?

I have a feeling Wavehammer comes with Sound Forge. Not sure though.

Fiola wrote on 9/23/2016, 11:04 AM

I have same problem. GTX 1070 ... I can't even see any codec with CUDA support. Is there any GPU acceleration at all?

jonlocker wrote on 9/23/2016, 11:10 AM

I have same problem. GTX 1070 ... I can't even see any codec with CUDA support. Is there any GPU acceleration at all?

That's the card I have!  Was working fine in 13.  I also did the windows update.  I should see if it is still in fact showing up in 13.  I'll be back there soon.

 

Fiola wrote on 9/23/2016, 11:14 AM

That's the card I have!  Was working fine in 13.  I also did the windows update.  I should see if it is still in fact showing up in 13.  I'll be back there soon.


Of course it is showing in 13 - I have Vegas 13 Pro installed. And my only reason to switch from 13 to 14 would be properly functional CUDA rendering option. Which seems to be removed than fixed ... :D Well... done? I guess?

john-baker wrote on 9/23/2016, 11:31 AM

Hi

I had the same issue yesterday with the Intel graphics chipset after a Windows 10 update to the anniversary release.

To fix the issue I ran sfc /scannow from a  Command prompt(Admin) -  Windows key + X.

Then re-run the Vegas installer.

Also checked my Wave Hammer, it is in demo mode - apparently this has been a known issue with some installations since version 6.

For NVidia cards you may need to re-install / update the drivers after the Windows 10 update.

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Nick Hope wrote on 9/23/2016, 11:39 AM

For Sony AVC/AAC and MainConcept AVC/AAC GPU acceleration to appear like it did in VP13 you need to go into internal preferences, by pressing <SHIFT> when you click "Preferences" (under the "Options" menu). Then you need to set "Allow GPU Rendering" to true, and probably restart VEGAS.

It still only supports those old GPUs up to GTX 580 and HD 6970. I'm guessing it's been moved to the internal preferences because it causes more trouble than its worth for those with newer GPUs.

fr0sty wrote on 9/23/2016, 12:05 PM

Their requirements: GeForce GPUs: GeForce GTX 4xx Series or higher (or GeForce GT 2xx Series or higher with driver 297.03 later).

 

Notice no mention of only supporting up to GTX580? This is doing people wrong. Goes to show just how poor of shape this program was in under Sony (and how little Magix studied their product after buying it)... their requirements sheet probably hasn't been updated in years.

 

For this reason, they need to patch support for newer Nvidia cards in for free. Those of us who bought this program based on their inaccurate system requirements deserve what we were advertised and paid for. Magix!!! Please add NvEnc CUDA compatibility!!!

Nick Hope wrote on 9/23/2016, 12:11 PM
Notice no mention of only supporting up to GTX580? This is doing people wrong.

Newer cards than that work in VEGAS Pro 14 and, I understand, can accelerate it ( EDIT: Apparently this is not true. See below). It's specifically just the MainConcept AVC/AAC GPU acceleration that doesn't support newer cards than the GTX580.

fr0sty wrote on 9/23/2016, 12:17 PM

My Geforce 970GTX isn't supported for anything in Vegas Pro. I can't open the New Blue FX Titler because my GPU isn't supported. Clicking "Preferences" then the "video" tab reveals no GPU in the GPU acceleration tab, it only has the "off" option. 

Fiola wrote on 9/23/2016, 12:40 PM

Actually Nick, no, you're wrong. Right now, there is no acceleration for GTX580 and up ... I mean: NO ACCELERATION. No processing over the GPU. Really. Absolutely none. When I using Vegas Pro 14 and trying to map usage of my GPU - there is no usage - only CPU.

This is the newest version of Vegas we are talking about. VEGAS PRO 13 even it's not proper rendering over CUDA - support my card and this version isn't ... so Trial version actually didn't convinced me to upgrade yet.

Nick Hope wrote on 9/23/2016, 12:46 PM

Thank you both for the feedback. I learnt something. I had thought that there was some acceleration in Vegas with those newer cards but weaker than AMD, and about a month ago there were a couple of posts raving about the GTX 1080 in VP13, which misled me.

jonlocker wrote on 9/23/2016, 12:48 PM

Thank you both for the feedback. I learnt something. I had thought that there was some acceleration in Vegas with those newer cards but weaker than AMD, and about a month ago there were a couple of posts raving about the GTX 1080 in VP13, which misled me.

I was having rocket fast renders in Vegas 13...how in the heck is there none in 14!?

 

jonlocker wrote on 9/23/2016, 12:51 PM

Actually...I just did the GeForce experience app update and it had some new driver for some game and bam it all works again...For that 1070 card maybe go to the GeForce app and see if there's an update.

Nick Hope wrote on 9/23/2016, 12:55 PM

It would be very useful if someone who has one of the newer NVIDIA cards and both VP13 and VP14 did some controlled tests to compare the rendering times. i.e...

  1. Sony AVC VP13 with GPU acceleration
  2. Sony AVC VP13 without GPU acceleration
  3. Sony AVC VP14 with GPU acceleration
  4. Sony AVC VP14 without GPU acceleration
  5. MainConcept AVC VP13 with GPU acceleration
  6. MainConcept AVC VP13 without GPU acceleration
  7. MainConcept AVC VP14 with GPU acceleration
  8. MainConcept AVC VP14 without GPU acceleration

If anyone does these tests, please report the exact GPU and driver you used.

Fiola wrote on 9/23/2016, 12:58 PM

Thank you both for the feedback. I learnt something. I had thought that there was some acceleration in Vegas with those newer cards but weaker than AMD, and about a month ago there were a couple of posts raving about the GTX 1080 in VP13, which misled me.

I was having rocket fast renders in Vegas 13...how in the heck is there none in 14!?

 


That's exactly it! Everything take so much time!

I opened the same project in Vegas 13 and Vegas 14 ... Render time for one:

AVC/MVC MP4: 1920x1080, No Progression, 25 FPS, 25 mbps, Render Best quality, 10 minutes footage

Vegas Pro 13: 13 min, 24 sec

Vegas Pro 14: 35 min, 13 sec

Both: without the GPU Render Acceleration - as there isn't any working

Same project. Same preset. What the ...?

My PC: i7-4790K 4GHz, GTX1070, 32GB DDR-3 1600 MHz RAM, Windows 10.14393 64bit

For nick: GTX1070 - Driver 372.90 - I have already the newest.

Is there any bug related submission form for Magix or Vegas Pro dev team? 🙂 For giving proper feedback than just on phorums here?

Nick Hope wrote on 9/23/2016, 1:00 PM

It has been reported recently by MAGIX staff that support for modern GPUs is in their backlog for consideration. I don't think you'll get any detail back from them at this stage as they themselves know it's old and unchanged and in need of updating.

Nick Hope wrote on 9/23/2016, 1:02 PM

But that is a big slowdown indeed. You should report it at that link.

fr0sty wrote on 9/23/2016, 1:32 PM

Oddly enough, my GPU decided to start showing up and working with Vegas. Out of nowhere, I re-opened preferences and there it was. I didn't even reboot the program.

Nick Hope wrote on 9/23/2016, 1:34 PM

Educate me further please.... Do NVIDIA GPUs "do" OpenCL at all? Or only CUDA? Reason I'm asking is that I thought they only "did" CUDA, but I've read comments in the forum that NVIDIA GPUs have a poor implementation of OpenCL compared to AMD. So I'm confused.

Fiola wrote on 9/23/2016, 2:05 PM

Educate me further please.... Do NVIDIA GPUs "do" OpenCL at all? Or only CUDA? Reason I'm asking is that I thought they only "did" CUDA, but I've read comments in the forum that NVIDIA GPUs have a poor implementation of OpenCL compared to AMD. So I'm confused.


Yes. NVIDIA supports also OpenCL - but generaly speaking, CUDA is far faster and better than OpenCL - that's why it is so popular.

Also it is because NVIDIA jumps on OpenCL train little bit later than AMD. Still CUDA is far better and powerfull for video production right now, but even competition software have some issues with it (AAE, Premiere).

Fiola wrote on 9/23/2016, 2:06 PM

@Nick Hope: More about topic in general: https://developer.nvidia.com/opencl

Chummy wrote on 9/23/2016, 4:06 PM

Testing trial, my GTX560 is being recognized, it works for Preview acceleration which is done by Vegas engine(OpenCL) itself. But Mainconcept CUDA acceleration is gone, i mean even enabling the GPU rendering in internal options no CUDA speed up like VEGAs 13 for final encoding. For what i understand if im not totally wrong the Mainconcept CUDA/OpenCL rendering is only for final encoding part while Preview GPU acceleration(OpenCL engine) speed up compositing, effects etc.. steps before final encoding.

If i enable GPU rendering in internal preferences even Preview Acceleration is gone and all work stay for CPU, so apparently GPU rendering is broken.

NVIDIA do OpenCL but Opencl performs better on AMD in some applications. Old cards like Fermi/Kepler has far worse compute performance than old AMD cards, Maxwell/Pascal improved in that matter.

_litz wrote on 9/23/2016, 4:06 PM

https://support2.magix.com/customer/en/vegas/form

Yeah, good luck with that.

I can't get it to accept any submission; the comments box always stays red.